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NEWS: Netflix Establishes 'Anime Creators' Base' at Tokyo Office

Ok, clearly you are just not listening to me. I never said they are useless. Its really rude you worship Japanese animators and demonize western animators. Why can't it be ok to like both? As for the second half, yes I do. Because it shows that Japan could pay their employees well and not overwork them, but because of their toxic work culture they refuse to. They are also terrified of any type of change.

So yes, I think animators in Japan should be paid just as well, and its disgusting some fans pretend its a problem that doesn't exist, or they say it's impossible for animators to be paid fairly. Also, I would hardly consider 95% of your average anime as a "masterpiece". Anime can be garbage too.

(Why can't it be ok to like both?)
I do not hate western cartoons, I do not even care about them, just saying that western cartoons are like Japanese animes in terms of quality is disrespectful to anime and hard work of Japanese animators
In the case of Japanese work culture, this is about Japan and the Japanese people. Why do some Americans think they have the right to tell people in other countries what is right and what is wrong? In Japan, hard work is a source of pride for them
Also, I never said that all anime is a masterpiece, but at least in a year, a lot of masterpiece anime is made, unlike the West, which still does not have a single masterpiece cartoon.
Also, if you think Western animators have a good work environment and a good salary, then why haven't they made a quality show like violet evergarden or demon slayer yet?
The best western cartoon right now is Castlevania, which hardly comes close to the quality of ordinary anime (which, of course, was made with the help of a South Korean studio and is not entirely American)

Ah, yes. I need to accept that Japan has a broken system because I am an outsider. This argument is dumb. How dare I criticize something that even animators themselves have criticized. As for the second one, maybe its because western animation is not taken seriously by people like you. Or maybe its because unlike Japan, America does not need to make everything animated due to Hollywood. You do know a big reason why Anime is made is because the Live Action Japanese film industry is lower budget overall, right?

Do you understand what you are saying?
You said that western cartoons have the same quality as anime, and American animators make masterpiece cartoons, and when I say show me these masterpieces, you say that because of Hollywood, cartoon studios cannot make quality western cartoons. As if Japan does not have a film industry and Hollywood movies do not allow people to watch cartoons
How do the United States and other countries watch anime despite Hollywood and their own film industry but not Western cartoons?
Don't you think this is due to the low quality of the cartoons? Why do you blame Hollywood and the movies?
Also in terms of budget, there are big companies like Netflix, Amazon Prime and Disney that are willing to spend a lot of money to make cartoons, but why no quality cartoons have been made yet? Do you think Japanese companies spend more then Disney and Amazon Prime for make anime?

Cartoons like Castlevania and avatar the last are made by studio mir and this studio is in South Korea

In the case of Japanese work culture, this is about Japan and the Japanese people. Why do some Americans think they have the right to tell people in other countries what is right and what is wrong? In Japan, hard work is a source of pride for them

Yes, hard work is admirable, but if that hard work and overtime escalates to such degree that people are literally dropping on the floor, you bet I reserve the right to voice my opinion on it...

Some people also say that animators have to make quality anime without hard work, which is kind of impossible.

Please stop making giant walls of quotes, I've had to fix this thread twice because of it

r4737 wrote:

So this is where people come together and make PowerPoint

I know I may get hate for this, but due to the overwork and underpay of animators in Japan, I would prefer worse animation in exchange for them not needing to work as hard.

but when you are drawing really simple designs and they hardly move, it's easy to make a ton of drawings in a day and get a decent wage.

MarshalBanana wrote:

but when you are drawing really simple designs and they hardly move, it's easy to make a ton of drawings in a day and get a decent wage.

What are these 'simple designs' that you're talking about? Anpanman? Even in the 1980s and 1990s, many anime characters did have complicated designs and they did move around quite a bit. The typical half hour anime episode in the 1990s had around 250 different backgrounds produced, which means there were many scenes that featured more than a character close-up. I know this because, for many years, I collected a lot of this artwork.

It's unfair to compare a 30+ year old series and that artwork to what is currently being produced. Those artists were limited to the technology at the time and that meant dealing with cel based productions. It's a lot harder to produce special effects when you're limited to acetate.

Even in the 1990s, animators did gripe about the wages they were being paid and how very difficult it was to subsist on these wages, even back then. The horror stories I heard from Kazuko Tadano (Sailor Moon R character designer) regarding how Toei treated them during the production of the R movie was enough to make me incredibly disgusted with the studio.