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NEWS: bilibili Removes Art, Data for Chinese Servants in Chinese Version of Fate/Grand Order Game


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KefkaesqueXIII



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:12 pm Reply with quote
ice_tea wrote:
This has nothing to do with censorship. Those original names are either famous historical or fictional characters. Foreigners probably don't know that those names already appear in many other films, TV shows and games. Maybe the game developers think that people will find them confusing. It's just that simple.


You... aren't familiar with the Fate franchise at all, are you?

Baring a handful of franchise OCs, every character in the game is a historical or mythological figure from civilizations all over the world. And it's not that they're named after them, they're supposed to actually be said figure (or at least Fate's interpretation of said figure).

On top of that, an entire chapter of the game's main story is dedicated to an alternate timeline where Qin Shi Huang had succeeded in discovering a method of immortality, allowing him to expand his empire until it covered the entire world. Said chapter was reportedly well recived in China back when it released there a couple of years ago, but now looks like a nonsensical farce due to almost every major character's name being changed to a variant of "[Class]-###".

And that's not even touching the characters who have also had their card art removed from the game entirely.
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sarusa



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:35 pm Reply with quote
ice_tea wrote:
This has nothing to do with censorship. Those original names are either famous historical or fictional characters. Foreigners probably don't know that those names already appear in many other films, TV shows and games. Maybe the game developers think that people will find them confusing. It's just that simple.

That... makes absolutely no sense. The Chinese publisher for Fate/Grand Order thinks Chinese people will be confused by who 'Prince Nezha' is and that renaming Nezha to 'Lancer 193' will be less confusing? But they'll know who Henri Sanson is? And they're leaving Chen Gong in because that's not confusing?

Are Chinese people that much dumber than the Japanese and Western audiences who aren't confused by Francis Drake or Okita Souji? No, they're not. This is just what happens when you have heavy handed cultural censorship. China's quite open about doing this, so I'm not sure why you even need to reflexively deny it.
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piotrus



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2021 12:31 am Reply with quote
Some can call censorship or nationalist sentiments dumb. But from the perspective of those who enact it, it's about power and control.

In our world, where we have concepts like free speech, it can be used to ridicule those in power, be they presidents or religious or historical figures, which ARE ALSO symbols of power (as they lend legitimacy to those in power).

After a period of slight liberalization, China is going back to the total control totalitarian regime, which does not accept any challenges. After stamping most of the regular opposition, they are now tightening their grip on popular culture and such. Chinese history can only be discussed with respect and adoration. Criticism and jokes are not allowed, as the logic goes - if you can laugh at them, maybe you could laugh at the current leaders. This is not allowed.

If you think it is funny, enjoy living in the place where you are allowed to do so. Over a billion people can't.
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Sinsekihokimchiansu



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:27 am Reply with quote
Pooh Chinese fans, I feel kinda bad for them...
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AnotherRat



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:21 pm Reply with quote
ice_tea wrote:
The the CPC should ban the game completely then. Won't that work better then? Changing some names won't prevent players from finding the original names from the Internet if they are interested.


Man, u dumb dumb. The CCP is pretty much trying to ban all videogames. Why? because they want a dystopia where evert citizen is a government sheep willing to give their life for the greatness of China! The only reason why they not ban the whole thing is... because that'd be too much right now, and because it makes money.

What can you expect from a government that bans Winnie Pooh just because of some memes? lmao
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ice_tea



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:01 pm Reply with quote
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ice_tea wrote:


What can you expect from a government that bans Winnie Pooh just because of some memes? lmao


At least as I know, Winnie Pooh is not banned. The brand is still selling the merch there.
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dragonvid



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2021 1:53 am Reply with quote
Is there any context information, as to why? vidmate save insta
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Blanchimont



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2021 7:15 am Reply with quote
ice_tea wrote:
At least as I know, Winnie Pooh is not banned. The brand is still selling the merch there.

There's a whole section on Winnie The Pooh wikipedia page of instances where it has been censored from social media, TV, games, movies.

So while the ban is not all-encompassing, it is definitely there...
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