Forum - View topicNEWS: Attack on Titan Franchise Halts Sales of Eldian Armbands
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Pandsu
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Yeah I agree with you and I think another difference was that the pretzel banners were a very in-the-moment thing that was designed to turn heads and I don't think they actually sold these to consumers, so it was a very one-time thing that made the context more clear than it would be if, say, someone were to just walk around with them as a part of a fashion statement without any widely available explanation.
And yes, The Producers is very much making fun of Nazis and Nazi-fanatics who wished for the regime to come back. Among other things. It's a great movie. But still, just like with this armband, not everyone who saw those real-life decorations was actually aware of what they were for and what the musical was about. So for those people it must have been, at the very least, incredibly confusing. And I do feel like for some actual survivors of that time it must've been kind of scary to run into a whole ass building being decorated like that. But anyway, enough derailing the thread. I suppose I agree with the overall sentiment and kinda get why this one rubbed me the wrong way while some other, related, things might not. |
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Kadmos1
Posts: 13555 Location: In Phoenix but has an 85308 ZIP |
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Given the context of the article and actual historical events, I side with those thinking it was a stupid idea to even allow such AoT merchandise.
[Removed troll comment. Errinundra.] |
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RhinocerousTrilbies
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Frankly, I’m not bothered by the cancellation of the armbands. If people are that desperate to wear it, they’ll buy unofficial versions for cosplay and such. I’d much rather value the gravitas of grieving for the actual victims of the holocaust in sincerity over defending the right to commodify an element of it
I’m just more frustrated that now groups of people have convinced them to give up on the armbands, those people are going to see what other Anime content they can get cancelled that might ruffle someone’s feathers, almost inevitably. I highly doubt this slither of censorship will be good enough for more dogged activists on the internet |
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residentgrigo
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Yeah. These are very very bad. Let's hope this was just an oversight and not a media stunt.
About Swastikas and other such symbols as SS runes in Germany. You can only use them in historical, satirical or critical context. Nazi zombies are fine (it took a long battle to get here) as they are an evil caricature. Walking with a crossed-out Swastika at a demonstration is also fine. Putting a contextless one on your car or spray painting it on a wall will lead to a criminal charge if you are caught and there is a good chance such an act will be covered by the (local) media. You can theoretically own a Nazi flag and hang it on a wall at home but it´s illegal if it can be seen from a window. You also aren´t allowed to sell such things. Another criminal charge. Only owning them is legal. "Freedom of the German people from Nazism and Militarism" is lastly part of the constitution. There is zero wiggle room. Edgy nazi jokes on the web that lead back to your name can lead to a visit from the police. |
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Piglet the Grate
Posts: 561 Location: North America |
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I hope that anime/manga/LN content continues to be made for the Japanese market in mind and not for foreign markets, since once the latter happens things generally get dumbed down and twisted to Hollywood standards - at that point why even bother? It is not even a matter of agenda/content so much as style, pacing, atmosphere and other intangibles that make watching typical Japanese anime a very different experience from Hollywood cartoons (an analogy would be a quiet specialty café versus a fast food restaurant with blaring televisions and screaming children). The reactions to the armbands are at a level that would be appropriate if the Attack on Titan franchise was promoting a racist/fascist agenda, but if that is the case it has to beyond the 3½ seasons of anime so far released, or my understanding of the show is radically different from other persons. Is there something in the manga or outside statements by the author adding fuel to the fire? |
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StarfighterPegasus
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Princess_Irene
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Posts: 2607 Location: The castle beyond the Goblin City |
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The difference, for my family at least, is that Mel Brooks (writer of The Producers and To Be or Not To Be, which is similar) is Jewish and served in WWII. That means that he and his family, like mine, are the people who suffered. That's very different than something like these armbands, which are coming from the outside, so to speak. |
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Replica_Rabbit
Posts: 354 Location: Portland |
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They weren't the "good" guys by the end, they help the Straw Hat escape because they were repaying a debt. The only good guy in Germa was Reiju, everyone else is a heartless monster. Spoilers spoiler[Even in the current arc, Sanji still believe them to be evil and refuse to become like them and destroy his raid suit]
I don't think it problematic for them to use the symbols, I like Bleach, and that symbols are all over the Manga and Anime. However, the people in charge of the Anime or Manga do see it as problematic and would self censor so they wouldn't get any backlash. Also, I was reply to a person who bring it up |
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Key
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Posts: 18187 Location: Indianapolis, IN (formerly Mimiho Valley) |
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This is, I feel, an overstated concern in this case (despite how certain other anime websites I could name are trying to push it). This is a pretty blatantly bad idea, and one which is far from being just something that Americans might react negatively to. It's not a case of some people being prudish or overly sensitive. |
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Gem-Bug
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I was mainly referring to the number of comments in this thread lamenting the loss of such a cosplay item. |
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Cutiebunny
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I sometimes wonder in cases like this that, had the original licensor just decided to produce it, not many people would have lined up to buy the item because it was no big deal. But now, with the bad press it has received, lots of people who may not have wanted this item now want to buy it simply because of whatever attention they believe it will receive. People who may not have had any interest in cosplaying this character will now do so for the shock value.
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RegisterJustForComment
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People are the one who make cursed item cursed.
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Mr. sickVisionz
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I mean... duh. That's literally what it's used for in the series. It being a cosplay item and getting snatched is kinda lame to me. There's characters that were slaves and part of their outfit has chains on it or they have a brand and when you cosplay them, people keep the chains and they make a fake brand... not because they're pro slavery and branding but because they like the character, they want to dress up as the character, and this is what the characters wears/looks like. So many anime in the past blatantly dresses up characters like Nazis and will make them either neutral or a hero as opposed to the villain to be reviled. I always thought this I get why the world hates them, but we don't hate them... in fact they're kinda cool take on Nazis was some weird, anime/Japanese cultural thing that you either kinda get over, try to avoid, or you say "this isn't for me". I always thought of it as their Confederacy and every country has some evil, insidious thing that they prop up as being like cool and honorable and they've got their head in the sand on why this isn't ok and pretty much can't be convinced otherwise. |
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Key
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Posts: 18187 Location: Indianapolis, IN (formerly Mimiho Valley) |
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Name a couple of good examples of this. I can think of series that used Nazi imagery for a "cool villain" effect, but they were still villains. (And no, Saga of Tanya the Evil does not count here, because those were pre-Nazi Germans.) |
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Megiddo
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For it to be cosplaying the Holocaust wouldn't it have to have the same symbol that they were forced to use in the Holocaust? Something like these? The image shown in the article looks absolutely nothing like this, so I really don't see any issue? This just reminds me of all those many years ago that tiny group that were upset about the Haruhi Suzumiya armband because they thought she was invoking Nazi imagery/leadership with it. Unfortunately that lobby seems to have massively increased over the years. Just let fiction be fiction, yeesh. |
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