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NEWS: Seven Seas Licenses Ayakashi Triangle, Futari Escape, Ramen Wolf and Curry Tiger, More Manga

lossthief wrote:

vanishingblood wrote: I'm so relieved that a publishing It's the employees at Viz who decided to disrespect art. Am I a good adoptive parent if I ban the child from my house but let them live at a friend's? My view is that my $13 goes to Seven Seas, whom I know will not then use it to commit atrocities like censorship. If you want to believe any and all money spent on a Shueisha product inevitably ends up in Viz's pocket, that's your problem. I don't imagine you'll be persuaded by this, but for the sake of anyone else reading this thread we should clear up a couple misconceptions: 1. It almost certainly wasn't Viz or anyone at the company who decided not to publish the 2 chapters in question. We know this because those chapters are also missing from Manga Plus, a service that Viz has no involvement with or control over. That service as owned by Shueisha and controlled by the Japanese side of the corporation, meaning somebody on that end most likely made the call on not releasing those chapters.

That's just an assumption, so I will explain why I assume it was Viz. I'm not creating an account to check Viz's digital release, but I'm gonna assume the Manga Plus and Viz translations are one and the same. I know that their Magu-chan translations are the same for example. Maybe when the simulpub was decided Shueisha said OK Viz you do the translation since you're getting the license anyway and we'll just put it on Manga Plus too. Then when these couple of chapters come out Viz says we're not translating and releasing these, that leaves Shueisha/Manga Plus without it too. Saying that Viz has no involvement or connection to Manga Plus is a large leap. At the least they obviously have a working/collaborative relationship.

Maybe when the simulpub was decided Shueisha said OK Viz you do the translation since you're getting the license anyway and we'll just put it on Manga Plus too. Then when these couple of chapters come out Viz says we're not translating and releasing these, that leaves Shueisha/Manga Plus without it too. Saying that Viz has no involvement or connection to Manga Plus is a large leap. At the least they obviously have a working/collaborative relationship.

It seems contradictory to me that fans are now praising Seven Seas as some radical anti censorship champions when a year ago these same fans were ready to bring out the pitchforks against Seven Seas over censorship in their light novel translations. animenewsnetwork.com/news/2021-02-17/seven-seas-addresses-mushoku-tensei-classroom-of-the-elite-light-novel-localization-changes/.169582

It seems contradictory to me that fans are now praising Seven Seas as some radical anti censorship champions when a year ago these same fans were ready to bring out the pitchforks against Seven Seas over censorship in their light novel translations. animenewsnetwork.com/news/2021-02-17/seven-seas-addresses-mushoku-tensei-classroom-of-the-elite-light-novel-localization-changes/.169582

1. It almost certainly wasn't Viz or anyone at the company who decided not to publish the 2 chapters in question. We know this because those chapters are also missing from Manga Plus, a service that Viz has no involvement with or control over. That service as owned by Shueisha and controlled by the Japanese side of the corporation, meaning somebody on that end most likely made the call on not releasing those chapters.

2. Even if they were responsible, the series is still licensed by Viz, as evidenced by them still simulpublishing chapters on their Shonen Jump service. Meaning Seven Seas is sublicensing it from Viz. So your money is still going to the company you're campaigning against.

My view is that my $13 goes to Seven Seas, whom I know will not then use it to commit atrocities like censorship.

Cardcaptor Takato wrote:

It seems contradictory to me that fans are now praising Seven Seas as some radical anti censorship champions when a year ago these same fans were ready to bring out the pitchforks against Seven Seas over censorship in their light novel translations. animenewsnetwork.com/news/2021-02-17/seven-seas-addresses-mushoku-tensei-classroom-of-the-elite-light-novel-localization-changes/.169582

Just goes to show how quickly these silly controversies are forgotten and moved on from.

Praise Cthulhu, Ayakashi Triangle is saved.

I was really surprised when VIZ deleted all their Ayakashi Triangle GNs last December. It made even less sense when the anime announcement showed up a few weeks later because you'd expect that manga publishers would want to release a manga that has an anime tie-in, to get the inevitable boost in sales from the anime.

Then when VIZ started skipping chapters, I thought the series was doomed for sure. So glad I was wrong.

I really hope Seven Seas keep the same translator. She's really good and is always excited about new chapters on Twitter.

lossthief wrote:

1. It almost certainly wasn't Viz or anyone at the company who decided not to publish the 2 chapters in question. We know this because those chapters are also missing from Manga Plus, a service that Viz has no involvement with or control over. That service as owned by Shueisha and controlled by the Japanese side of the corporation, meaning somebody on that end most likely made the call on not releasing those chapters. 2. Even if they were responsible, the series is still licensed by Viz, as evidenced by them still simulpublishing chapters on their Shonen Jump service. Meaning Seven Seas is sublicensing it from Viz. So your money is still going to the company you're campaigning against.

According to BalmungHHQ, who contacted Manga Plus and received a reply, VIZ Media own the international license to Ayakashi Triangle, and Manga Plus couldn't get the missing chapters 'since they have been deemed sensitive.'

Despite the reply, it's still ambiguous who was withholding the chapters because Manga Plus did not outright say.

Either Shueisha decided not to give those chapters to VIZ because Shueisha are the parent company and could make that call (thereby leaving VIZ with no chapters to give Manga Plus), or VIZ decided not to give those chapters to Manga Plus because VIZ own the international license and could tell Manga Plus what to release due to Manga Plus being a distributor of that series in VIZ's licensed territories (i.e. worldwide).

vanishingblood wrote:

My view is that my $13 goes to Seven Seas, whom I know will not then use it to commit atrocities like censorship.

It's great to support the official release, but to say Seven Seas don't censor content? Ooooh boy, where were you a month ago?

That make zero sense, Viz own the English version only. The Spanish version own by editorial ivrea, Viz can't strong-arm Shueisha to not releasing chapters on Shueisha owned app. I would need more proof than a random person on the internet

There is an important piece of information in the response that I think is not getting enough attention: That VIZ Media owns the international license to Ayakashi Triangle. This means that VIZ could potentially stop publishers of this title in other countries from releasing those two chapters.

We already know that VIZ has a hand in other publishers' businesses. VIZ often serves as a licensing agent between those other publishers and Shueisha. Just as an example, I have a manga by the German publisher Carlsen that states the following on its copyright page:

'German translation rights in Germany, Austria, Luxembourg and German-speaking Switzerland arranged by SHUEISHA Inc. through VIZ Media, LLC, U.S.A.'

(By the way, this statement is originally written in English. It is not a translation from German. It is the only English text on the copyright page and I think in the entire book.)

See animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=5336044#5336997

Kendall TV wrote:

'German translation rights in Germany, Austria, Luxembourg and German-speaking Switzerland arranged by SHUEISHA Inc. through VIZ Media, LLC, U.S.A.' (By the way, this statement is originally written in English. It is not a translation from German. It is the only English text on the copyright page and I think in the entire book.)

Replica_Rabbit wrote:

That make zero sense, Viz own the English version only. The Spanish version own by editorial ivrea, Viz can't strong-arm Shueisha to not releasing chapters on Shueisha owned app. I would need more proof than a random person on the internet

See animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=5336044#5336997

Kendall TV wrote:

There is an important piece of information in the response that I think is not getting enough attention: That VIZ Media owns the international license to Ayakashi Triangle. This means that VIZ could potentially stop publishers of this title in other countries from releasing those two chapters. We already know that VIZ has a hand in other publishers' businesses. VIZ often serves as a licensing agent between those other publishers and Shueisha. Just as an example, I have a manga by the German publisher Carlsen that states the following on its copyright page: 'German translation rights in Germany, Austria, Luxembourg and German-speaking Switzerland arranged by SHUEISHA Inc. through VIZ Media, LLC, U.S.A.' (By the way, this statement is originally written in English. It is not a translation from German. It is the only English text on the copyright page and I think in the entire book.)

I do hope Seven Seas has a proper license and aren't just a 'hired gun' for the volume release, otherwise the fate of the lost chapters might still be up in the air. And we won't know for certain until the 8th volume...