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Honestly, I think arguing about the profits that these anime make is missing the point. The point is that unions are important because unions help folks be paid fairly and give them equal, collective bargaining power against big corporations. Whether the anime is popular or not, made lots of money or not, is irrelevant. People deserve to be paid a living wage for the hard work they do, period. Even if the anime absolutely sucked, or lost a ton of money, the people who worked on it should still get fairly paid. A company that is not willing to make sure all its workers are paid fairly shouldn't exist. It's as simple as that.

Cardcaptor Takato wrote:

DevilBrew wrote: You'll have to go on a pointless witch hunt against the entire industry then. Anime dubs being non union for the most part is a well known fact so I don't see why everyone is treating this as some watergate moment. Not even dragon ball, one of the most popular and wealthy franchises out there, is union so it's weird to expect this for every show. Saying "I'd think it would be a good idea to have unions and for workers to be paid fairly" = witch hunt to you apparently.

Considering the petty vitriol many of the commenters have here and them.wishing for CR to financially suffer, I say witch hunt accurate. You don't need a union to be paid fairly.

Lord Geo wrote:

Do you seriously think the JJK0 movie went on the gross all that money primarily through subbed showings? If you do, then you really don't understand the relevance of what having an English dub can mean for an anime release, and that line of yours truly is just code for "I don't care about dubs".

There's a very real chance that was the case. It's impossible for us to tell with Sony's releases as they do dub/sub screenings on the same day, but GKIDS still does split screenings and the results almost always favour the subbed version

Suxinn wrote:

Honestly, I think arguing about the profits that these anime make is missing the point. The point is that unions are important because unions help folks be paid fairly and give them equal, collective bargaining power against big corporations. Whether the anime is popular or not, made lots of money or not, is irrelevant. People deserve to be paid a living wage for the hard work they do, period. Even if the anime absolutely sucked, or lost a ton of money, the people who worked on it should still get fairly paid. A company that is not willing to make sure all its workers are paid fairly shouldn't exist. It's as simple as that.

Y'all better keep that same energy for literally every single job in the world cause most people in this economy aren't even getting a living wage.

Of course, that doesn't mean making a dub is not financially worthwhile. All of the examples I listed favoured the sub screenings, but in most cases it wasn't by a landslide.

If anything, one could argue that it puts the dub cast on the same level as the Japanese cast.

Y'all better keep that same energy for literally every single job in the world cause most people in this economy aren't even getting a living wage.

Do you seriously think the JJK0 movie went on the gross all that money primarily through subbed showings? If you do, then you really don't understand the relevance of what having an English dub can mean for an anime release, and that line of yours truly is just code for "I don't care about dubs".
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Cardcaptor Takato wrote:

DevilBrew wrote: You'll have to go on a pointless witch hunt against the entire industry then. Anime dubs being non union for the most part is a well known fact so I don't see why everyone is treating this as some watergate moment. Not even dragon ball, one of the most popular and wealthy franchises out there, is union so it's weird to expect this for every show. Saying "I'd think it would be a good idea to have unions and for workers to be paid fairly" = witch hunt to you apparently.

Considering the petty vitriol many of the commenters have here and them.wishing for CR to financially suffer, I say witch hunt accurate. You don't need a union to be paid fairly.

As you mention, though, the stuff GKIDS released to theaters aren't exactly in the same type of title as JJK; if anything, GKIDS' stuff is more "art house", in comparison, which people would prefer subbed. We'd have to see how stuff like Dragon Ball Super: Super Hero's theatrical split was for a better comparison.

Considering the petty vitriol many of the commenters have here and them.wishing for CR to financially suffer, I say witch hunt accurate. You don't need a union to be paid fairly

Not quite so simple. If no dubs were available, many, if not most of the people who would go to see a movie dubbed will do see a movie subbed. Good luck trying to get 95% of sub watchers to watch a dubbed movie. You'd need to tie them down like in The Clockwork Orange.

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Statisically speaking, this is laugably off-base. The lack of a dub for something simply means significantly less people watch that thing. Period. This has been true since the earliest days of the industry and doesn't even apply to anime specifically (I guarantee you Disney Japan isn't making most of their money from English-only screenings). Literally no anime has found anything resembling mainstream success overseas without some kind of dub for the local audience English or otherwise, and the hardcore market of sub-only watchers is not nearly as big as some people think it is, even with how much larger the industry has grown. Heck, Crunchyroll isn't out here making dubs out of the goodness of their hearts. It's because people watch them, and having them gets more eyeballs on their service. If they thought they'd make just as much money not having dubs, they'd be shutting them down as we speak (until the Sony acqusition, it was pretty clear from their marketing that they didn't even care that much about promoting their own dubs to begin with). As the industry gets bigger so does the demand for dubs(again it is not a coincidence they are dubbing more stuff than before, and they are not doing it just to "please the fans"), and all of this really shouldn't be anything more than the cost of doing business (especially since this whole thing isn't even about higher pay specifically and rates have been raised a little anyway) but CR keeps insisting on putting their heads in the ground when it comes to compensating people fairly whether its actors or translators. That needs to change.

A dub in general might matter to the more mainstream audiences but that also leads to them not particularly caring about who is voicing the characters which is part of the reason companies can replace them at will. Huge properties like Dragonball, Sailor Moon, Shaman King, One Piece, Digimon, and Pokemon have cycled through voice actors multiple times. and aside from a few odd complaints on the internet you might find it hasn't affected their popularity at all.

It happens in American animation all the time too. A lot of cartoons based on movies have to forgo the original celebrity voice-actor because it would be out of their budget from old Disney Afternoon cartoons to modern day shows like the Hotel Transylvania TV series. I think the issue is more how English voice actors are seen as expendable in this industry compared to the Japanese side.

GasterTheGreat wrote:

A dub in general might matter to the more mainstream audiences but that also leads to them not particularly caring about who is voicing the characters which is part of the reason companies can replace them at will. Huge properties like Dragonball, Sailor Moon, Shaman King, One Piece, Digimon, and Pokemon have cycled through voice actors multiple times. and aside from a few odd complaints on the internet you might find it hasn't affected their popularity at all. It happens in American animation all the time too. A lot of cartoons based on movies have to forgo the original celebrity voice-actor because it would be out of their budget from old Disney Afternoon cartoons to modern day shows like the Hotel Transylvania TV series. I think the issue is more how English voice actors are seen as expendable in this industry compared to the Japanese side.

Unfortunately, yeah. I remember watching things like the Aladdin series and noticing pretty quickly that Genie wasn't Robin Williams. Recasting for different reasons has been around for a long time, and it goes back to the idea that a company isn't going to pay more just because it can. Those celebrities come with marketable name recognition to sell tickets. It's not like Disney couldn't afford it, but they weren't going to do it when the costs are less correlated to the income.