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EP. REVIEW: My Hero Academia Season 6

thepepin wrote:

Hope the people who keep pushing this take actually justify it with a comparison between the number of dead or maimed male characters versus the female ones. My guess: as usual the male carnage is much greater but what happens to them "doesn't count" for some reason. All Might lost a lung and his digestive system? Kurogiri being Oboro Shirakumo's zombie? The whole thing with Endeavor's son? Lemillion losing his powers? Rock Lock getting nearly killed by Toga? Ingenium being made paraplegic by Stain (who Sir Nighteye being the first - and to this point the only - major onscreen hero death? Or Snatch, the only other onscreen hero death? And for 5 more guys (all as significant to the MHA plot as spoiler[Star and Stripe] which is where this nonsense got started) spoiler[ what happens with Best Jeanist, Edgeshot, Native, Crust and Bakugo in the manga?] Forget not being consistent. Social media outrage doesn't even bother being factually correct these days.

All of the bolded bits tell me that it's not really worry "debating" this with you, sorry.

...Forget not being consistent. Social media outrage doesn't even bother being factually correct these days.

Gem-Bug wrote:

thepepin wrote: Hope the people who keep pushing this take actually justify it with a comparison between the number of dead or maimed male characters versus the female ones. My guess: as usual the male carnage is much greater but what happens to them "doesn't count" for some reason. All Might lost a lung and his digestive system? Kurogiri being Oboro Shirakumo's zombie? The whole thing with Endeavor's son? Lemillion losing his powers? Rock Lock getting nearly killed by Toga? Ingenium being made paraplegic by Stain (who Sir Nighteye being the first - and to this point the only - major onscreen hero death? Or Snatch, the only other onscreen hero death? And for 5 more guys (all as significant to the MHA plot as spoiler[Star and Stripe] which is where this nonsense got started) spoiler[ what happens with Best Jeanist, Edgeshot, Native, Crust and Bakugo in the manga?] Forget not being consistent. Social media outrage doesn't even bother being factually correct these days. All of the bolded bits tell me that it's not really worry "debating" this with you, sorry.

Of course it was. It was the bold. Had nothing to do with what you claimed - like basically every other social media outrage - was 100% in opposition to the facts. But hey: let me know when a female hero either dies or becomes permanently crippled onscreen during MHA. Like it already has to Sir Nighteye (dead), Snatch (dead) and Ingenium (paraplegic for the rest of his life). Or when a dead female hero gets turned into a zombie like Oboro. Maybe then you will be able to mount a convincing claim about fonts.

So how can the narrative reconcile stopping people from doing the wrong thing for the right – or at least sympathetic – reasons?

But hey: let me know when a female hero either dies or becomes permanently crippled onscreen during MHA.

But hey: let me know when a female hero either dies or becomes permanently crippled onscreen during MHA.

thepepin wrote:

But hey: let me know when a female hero either dies or becomes permanently crippled onscreen during MHA.

Rabbit girl.

zunderdog24 wrote:

thepepin wrote: But hey: let me know when a female hero either dies or becomes permanently crippled onscreen during MHA. Rabbit girl.

Nope, as already spoiled in this thread, permanently doesn't apply here.

Even if it did, the original claim by Gem-Bug that female characters are particularly the victims of violence remains utterly ridiculous for whatever reason it was made.

As mentioned, a more reasonable complaint is that the most important and interesting characters are all male, and female characters are generally supporting characters, though sadly not unusual in male target audience shows.

Some context: MHA for some reason appears to be the only contemporary anime that is currrently popular among the "doesn't usually watch anime" crowd in the west (let's be honest: America). Some elements in that crowd have gotten used to modern western entertainment like the recent Star Wars trilogy, the recent Mad Max and Ghostbusters movies, the recent Marvel shows on Disney+ and a bunch of similar streaming shows etc. - I guess the Predator remake on Hulu was the most recent along with Rings of Power - where the female protags are essentially the main characters even when they aren't top billed, never lose fights and aren't used for eye candy. Bizarre first because even in the west this trend is less than ten years old and second because there is no reason to expect Japanese entertainment to follow western standards.

The first blowup was a few years back over Nejire and Momo showing cleavage. That inspired a "fixing anime girls" trend on social media. Yes, there was some outrage from this crowd over spoiler[Stars and Stripes dying] but after it was debunked had long since passed. But it cropped up again from this bunch in response to the recent fanservicey "naked Invisible Girl" cover. What this crowd is really upset at is the fanservice. But you can't come out and SAY that because the vast majority of actual anime fans - especially in MHA's actual target demo - likes fanservice, is indifferent to it or certainly doesn't view it as misogynistic. So, they have to come up with other stuff so they can associate the fanservice with it. With Momo (the first controversy) it was allegedly because of her "impractical outfit" before people brought up that - unlike Storm, Emma Frost, Power Girl, Scarlet Witch and practically every other female character in western comics including several members of the Teen Titans and Young Avengers - her outfit was actually justified by her powers (as opposed to Wonder Woman, a melee fighter in a one piece swimsuit and high heels). With Nejire they shifted to the "she's underaged so it is child porn" thing ... until they were reminded that MHA's actual target demo is middle and junior high school boys that are actually younger than Nejire is.

So that is why the "MHA brutalizes its female characters" thing was dredged up again after initially being raised - and debunked - spoiler[when Stars and Stripes died]. Folks upset over the naked Invisible Girl cover started posting screenshots of it on social media along with "remember how MHA loves to depict violence against women too!" The funny part is that in universe the superhero authorities forced superheroes to (whenever possible) cover up in order to thwart exhibitionists (like Midnight) and those who would show skin to manipulate the popularity ratings (like Mt. Lady). Plus MHA is incredibly tame when compared to Fairy Tale and even a gag show like Love After World Domination, but the internet outrage machine doesn't watch those and doesn't know it.

John Thacker wrote:

zunderdog24 wrote: thepepin wrote: But hey: let me know when a female hero either dies or becomes permanently crippled onscreen during MHA. Rabbit girl. Nope, as already spoiled in this thread, permanently doesn't apply here. Even if it did, the original claim by Gem-Bug that female characters are particularly the victims of violence remains utterly ridiculous for whatever reason it was made. As mentioned, a more reasonable complaint is that the most important and interesting characters are all male, and female characters are generally supporting characters, though sadly not unusual in male target audience shows.

Some context: MHA for some reason appears to be the only contemporary anime that is currrently popular among the "doesn't usually watch anime" crowd in the west (let's be honest: America). Some elements in that crowd have gotten used to modern western entertainment like the recent Star Wars trilogy, the recent Mad Max and Ghostbusters movies, the recent Marvel shows on Disney+ and a bunch of similar streaming shows etc. - I guess the Predator remake on Hulu was the most recent along with Rings of Power - where the female protags are essentially the main characters even when they aren't top billed, never lose fights and aren't used for eye candy. Bizarre first because even in the west this trend is less than ten years old and second because there is no reason to expect Japanese entertainment to follow western standards.

The first blowup was a few years back over Nejire and Momo showing cleavage. That inspired a "fixing anime girls" trend on social media. Yes, there was some outrage from this crowd over spoiler[Stars and Stripes dying] but after it was debunked had long since passed. But it cropped up again from this bunch in response to the recent fanservicey "naked Invisible Girl" cover. What this crowd is really upset at is the fanservice. But you can't come out and SAY that because the vast majority of actual anime fans - especially in MHA's actual target demo - likes fanservice, is indifferent to it or certainly doesn't view it as misogynistic. So, they have to come up with other stuff so they can associate the fanservice with it. With Momo (the first controversy) it was allegedly because of her "impractical outfit" before people brought up that - unlike Storm, Emma Frost, Power Girl, Scarlet Witch and practically every other female character in western comics including several members of the Teen Titans and Young Avengers - her outfit was actually justified by her powers (as opposed to Wonder Woman, a melee fighter in a one piece swimsuit and high heels). With Nejire they shifted to the "she's underaged so it is child porn" thing ... until they were reminded that MHA's actual target demo is middle and junior high school boys that are actually younger than Nejire is.

So that is why the "MHA brutalizes its female characters" thing was dredged up again after initially being raised - and debunked - spoiler[when Stars and Stripes died]. Folks upset over the naked Invisible Girl cover started posting screenshots of it on social media along with "remember how MHA loves to depict violence against women too!" The funny part is that in universe the superhero authorities forced superheroes to (whenever possible) cover up in order to thwart exhibitionists (like Midnight) and those who would show skin to manipulate the popularity ratings (like Mt. Lady). Plus MHA is incredibly tame when compared to Fairy Tale and even a gag show like Love After World Domination, but the internet outrage machine doesn't watch those and doesn't know it.