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Hiroki not Takuya
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Normally I would look over comments first, but having just seen Ep 1-2 I can't wait and have to say that the storytelling and cinematography and direction were all far above what constitutes excellent anime productions in general here and not surprising this could be AOTY. Little indicators and attention to detail, like the "stars" in Ai's eyes when being scouted being "dark" to indicate her outlook with self-doubt after being abandoned but as she listened to the scout/manager convincing her, they turned bright white. Aqua and Ruby having one eye with "star" each and the star disappearing from Ai's eyes to indicate her death.
That whole scene composition was masterful, once stabbed, there was little doubt the outcome but what came after allowed a great avenue to get Ai's internal thoughts and feelings without being a total narrated dialog info-dump. Seeing her contact the father and the "hint" from the manager just before set up that something bad would happen. Some may say "predictable" but it could have been a career-ending scandal as well. The homacidal fan could have come later. Yes, the whole reincarnation device was eye-rollingly convenient but it also set up a great avenue for quasi-organic commentary which is part of the overarching purpose of the story in the first place, so I can overlook that if that is the only contrivance. Didn't think this show would be to my liking as I hate "idol" shows as well as "magical girl" shows, but I am an instant Ai fanboy now. Few shows have been able to turn around that bias with me (Madoka Magica), so this one is a definite standout and I think possibly in the same league... |
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minamikaze
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I hadn't seen that, so yesterday when I saw the number I thought 45510 might have been a number 語呂合わせ (goroawase), where the various pronunciations of the numbers in Japanese are used to form words (they were very popular in the days when people still used pagers). I suspected it might be, because there is a goroawase for 4510 = shigoto (work) (4 = shi, 5 = go, and 10 = to), and I thought that perhaps it was a play on shigo (死後 - after death) goto (meaning something after death like 隠し事 kakushigoto - something hidden, but shigogoto isn't a real word, also Ai chose that password years before she died, so it wouldn't make sense. So I googled it and found the reference to the story you mentioned. 
link to article explaining it
link to short story in Japanese
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FilthyCasual
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Kana is remarkably animated. I'm excited to see Aqua's full-force acting next week.
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Shay Guy
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Minor note: Kaburagi's the producer. And yes, Kana is so much fun to watch in this episode. Props to her animators, and of course Megumi Han. Even things like that little bounce as she scoots up to Aqua's side when selling him on Sweet Today! Also, this is currently the pinned tweet on the anime's official account. 
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Aerdra
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The meta commentary regarding the botched adaptation of a manga is so on the nose. The reactions that Aqua, Ruby, and Miyako have after watching the drama are just like the conversations that occur when a beloved manga gets a less-than-stellar adaptation. Add to that the obvious disappointment of the original creator, even though she can't say such out loud.
It's remarkable to see just how much more mature Kana has become since her child actress days. The director's attempt to humble her worked just as planned. |
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Key
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I noticed two other times in the episode where Aqua's star turns black: when he finally unlocks the phone and sees the contacts and when he's later thinking that he doesn't have any motivator other than revenge. I'll have to go back and see if that ever happens in episode 1 or 2, but it looks like that's supposed to signify his darkest impulses coming to the forefront. In terms of parallels to other anime, while I'm sure the Kaguya-sama allusions were intended, I also thought of A Sister's All You Need, which also had some significant content about creators being disappointed with how anime adaptations turned out. And thanks to minamikaze for the details on 45510. I knew that there had to be particular meaning to it. |
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Covnam
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Really felt bad for the fictional (yet unfortunately probably not unrealistic) manga-ka
Thanks for the 45510 info @minamikaze Guess after doing that it's clear how dedicated Aqua is O_o
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Azure Chrysanthemum
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I'm really excited for episode 4, the chapter it adapts is the one that really sold me on it (although the content we had this episode was where I was very much at the "OK you have my attention" stage).
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MFrontier
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I had to be reminded that the Shojo manga they were discussing was the same one in Kaguya-sama that had everyone crying. Shame that the adaption isn't turning out well, should've held out for the anime adaption.
Kana turned out to be a lot different than I was expecting. Like she sets up a lot of expectations as this bratty child star but while she's still haughty and confident, she's also far more mature and reasonable in her teen years, which makes her much more attractive. It also makes you want to root for her and her acting comeback even as she struggles to get a foothold in the industry. I'm also curious how she might impact Aqua. She still believes in his acting ability but he's so dedicated to his revenge that I wonder if anything can get through to him...though he also seems to respect Kana. I can only imagine how realistic what happened with this drama adaption is for a lot of authors. But while it's clearly conveying the harsher realities of the industry, it also shows that the cast and crew behind it are still trying to do their best despite stuff that is out of their hands. |
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yurigasaki
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glad to see that everyone recognized Kana as the highlight of this episode but you're all sleeping on the deeply important lore drop that is Aqua wearing matching TWINS sweaters with Ruby
honestly Aqua was kind of a delight in this episode in general. Going to leaf thru his shojo manga to compare it to the drama... immediately going to tell Kana that Ruby was shittalking her show... pretending Extremely Hard that he doesn't care about helping Kana out but then going out of his way to do her a solid anyway lol. My extremely normal boy!!! |
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maximilianjenus
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as I said in another thread, i already watched this show when it was named shion no ou. but i am glad the anime/plot is finally getting the quality it deserves and 8t.being about idols instead of go/shogi is nice too.
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Aerdra
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I vaguely remember Shion no Ou, but I think in that, the protagonist gets into shougi because she loves it; it isn't until she's already become established as a promising future player that the possibility that spoiler[her parents' murderer might be a shougi player] becomes relevant. |
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Hiroki not Takuya
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English translation of Op song "Idol" by YOASOBI here https://www.lyrical-nonsense.com/global/lyrics/yoasobi/idol/#Translations
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Andrew Cunningham
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Casting Mai Sakurajima to play your famous actress character is the most meta stunt I've seen since the Re: Zero season 2 flashbacks.
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minamikaze
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HIDive's stream started including subtitles for the OP and ED lyrics in episode 3. For episode 3 the subtitles were the English translation and for episode 4 they were the Japanese lyrics in Romaji. It seems likely that they will continue to alternate them, so episode 5 should have the English translation again. |
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