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This Week in Anime - Retro Anime, Kickstarter, and Broken Promises


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Triltaison



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2024 7:42 am Reply with quote
Blood- wrote:
Mind Game


Oh! I forgot about that one. I did that one too.

I also did several of the Tezuka DMP kickstarters, but... Confused
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Joe Mello



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2024 8:52 am Reply with quote
I've backed 2-3 Kickstarters but nothing in a while. No particular reason as to why other than it's not a site I frequent.

Ultimately, what people may have started to realize (or need to if not) is that a vast majority of campaigns are for-profit ventures shifting their financial risk from stakeholders or investors to the customer. If something goes wrong with production, it's your money that gets wasted.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2024 9:38 am Reply with quote
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Crunchyroll's acquisition of Right Stuf/Nozomi didn't just disrupt the Dirty Pair Kickstarter, it seems it may have scuttled several other home video plans the company had cooked, like their announcement of Macross Blu-rays.
\Zan Sayonara Zetsubou-sensei is also in that boat.


Also SD Gundam Sangokuden
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NeoStrayCat



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2024 2:07 pm Reply with quote
Judge Of Toyama wrote:
Don't forget about Digital Manga and their history of delayed kickstarters. Especially for Kodomo no Jikan. It's been 8 years and nothing has been delivered. And, It's been over a year since their last update.

I forgot to mention that they have had digital copies of the complete series for sale for a while now.

Yeah, that is/was a mess and it still is to this point. Digital Manga Publishing has not bothered to bring out the physical product to the backers. Even though, yes, the digital version exists. The comment section over at that kickstarter are still furious at DMP most rightfully so, and are trying ways to contact DMP and/or their other labels to hopefully get a resolution to it. (That's if it ever happens though.)

Either way, the first, and only kickstarter I've ever backed was for Arcana Heart 3 Love Max Six Stars!!!!!!, which, at least, did get funded way back when. And that's it, lol.

But yeah, outside of horror stores and other things from the crowdfunding scene. They either do or don't happen. (Though in some cases, they do, but don't, either due to company mismanagement or funds being used wrongly.)
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dragonquiz



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 2:46 am Reply with quote
Judge Of Toyama wrote:
Don't forget about Digital Manga and their history of delayed kickstarters. Especially for Kodomo no Jikan. It's been 8 years and nothing has been delivered. And, It's been over a year since their last update.

I forgot to mention that they have had digital copies of the complete series for sale for a while now.


Wow I completely forgot that they even did that campaign, I wonder what the issue might be to have it in print, like did any of their printers accepted such a job or the printers country law forbade them from even printing it (if that's the case why wouldn't they hire a Japanese print shop that can print it).
Or mismanagement on DMPs part and used some of the funds to handle other projects or whatnot though as that's unethical and not true to the crowdfunder spirit, unless stated that "excess funds will go to other projects in DMP's portfolio" I presume that might also be the case.
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oilers2007



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 4:20 am Reply with quote
Most decent Kickstarters reminds people that they are not pre-orders. It's always a crapshoot if anything will actually come from them so you should look at it as donating money to a hypothetical goal rather than a set-in-stone promise.
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Cutiebunny



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2024 12:17 am Reply with quote
My fellow fujo/fudanshi fans will also recall that DMP has yet to fulfill their last Kickstarter. I have yet to receive any of the books that I pledged for because, to the shock of absolutely no one, if you wait until years after a Kickstarter ends to reprint books, the price to print them will have increased from the original prices you were quoted to reprint them. This Kickstarter is almost 10 years old; It was run to coincide with the last YaoiCon in 2016. I often joke with my fellow backer friends that I will probably retire long before I receive the books.

As much as I'd like to criticize CR for dropping the ball in this, at least they've posted some sort of resolution (for the time being). They're not DMP where they spend months whining about the increase in costs to print books and instead of sucking it up and taking responsibility for the printing/fulfillment delays, want to instead demand that those who backed the projects now pay the additional costs. I mean, it's bad that things increased in price since the pandemic, but take some responsibility for completing the projects you started without asking for more money.
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Picky33



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2024 12:36 am Reply with quote
As someone who still participates in a lot of crowd funded anime I can say, based on feedback and asking questions that the Japanese studio/staff/etc. fell out of love with western Crowd Funding platforms. They disliked the fees and many had to hire extra staff just to handle the inquirers from Backers that that they ended up not feeling like it was worth it. A domestic crowdfunding market started to pop up, some were foreigner friendly, but some required registration with a Japanese phone number. Most work closer to IndieGoGo then KS.

A lot of them use crowdfunding to try and drum up financial backing by going to someone with money and saying “look at all these people who paid money to see this X, would you consider funding it” they usually say on the project page that the final result may be a couple episode OVA or it could be a 30 second commercial if they don’t get any funding. The lowest time I got was 3.5 min video that was part music video.

If anyone from the ANN column reds this the Red Ash OVA is on YT. I thought about uploading my copy, but it already exists. I may look to see if the rest of my crowd funded anime’s are up there, because i believe in media preservation.
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Meexa



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2024 11:51 am Reply with quote
RIP Gene Shaft, =(
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omiya



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2024 7:11 am Reply with quote
Picky33 wrote:
A domestic crowdfunding market started to pop up, some were foreigner friendly, but some required registration with a Japanese phone number. Most work closer to IndieGoGo then KS.

A lot of them use crowdfunding to try and drum up financial backing by going to someone with money and saying “look at all these people who paid money to see this X, would you consider funding it” they usually say on the project page that the final result may be a couple episode OVA or it could be a 30 second commercial if they don’t get any funding. The lowest time I got was 3.5 min video that was part music video.


I funded a few things on the Japanese platform Campfire.

One was for a Savage Genius song - which was made available in digital form, another was for a new album by Kanako Ito which was duly shipped to a contact in Japan.

In both cases I was able to see the artists live (and meet them), not as a direct reward for the funding, but indirectly as they had the core fan base supporting them.
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RupanSansei



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2024 7:38 pm Reply with quote
Years ago I read on this forum that sometimes Japanese executives are very strict by manually reviewing on how a translation of a line is & of how well of a performance is regardless of their fluency in English so maybe that is what's happening causing the delay.
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