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This Week in Anime - Is Anime Incest Really Wincest?


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FishLion



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:49 am Reply with quote
Yaafm wrote:
If I ever need a lawyer Id like to hire FishLion. Think if I gave them a few hours of research on a topic, they could talk their way out of a Mexican Standoff.


Aww, thanks! I really enjoy an in-depth conversation, which is part of why my posts are often admittedly long winded, I'm glad someone is getting something out of them lol
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Top Gun



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2025 11:08 pm Reply with quote
FishLion wrote:
Aww, thanks! I really enjoy an in-depth conversation, which is part of why my posts are often admittedly long winded, I'm glad someone is getting something out of them lol

I want to give a shout-out too, because you laid out pretty much everything I wanted to say about the topic. As you said, most fans of this sort of content treat it as a kink or fetish, nothing more. I strongly believe that well-adjusted adults are more than capable of drawing a proper distinction between fantasy and reality. I've seen numerous surveys in which a significant percentage of respondents self-report engaging in rape fantasies or roleplay at some point. Does this mean that those people view the real-life act as something other than the horrific scarring crime that it is? Of course not. But the fact that acts like rape and incest are forbidden or taboo in reality is for some people gives them an appeal when reframed in a safe, fictional context.

Or let's look another example. I've been a gamer for nearly 30 years, and many of my favorite games are various types of shooters. At this point I've racked up a virtual body count that is probably in the six figures. But not only am I not a gun fanatic in real life, I've never so much as held a gun, and I have zero desire to ever do so. Despite what decades' worth of parents groups have erroneously claimed, playing video games that feature violence does not make one any more likely to commit violent acts in real life, provided they're mature enough to make a clear distinction between fiction and reality.

On the flipside, to those saying that incest is just "part of anime" and should be accepted as such, it's...not, really? Or at least it doesn't need to be. As FishLion said, anime is an incredibly broad and prolific medium. I'm over 500 entries on MAL now, but off the top of my head I can think of only a handful that treated incest even jokingly, much less featured it as a serious plot point. It's entirely possible to be an avid anime fan while almost completely avoiding that sort of content. I agree with FishLion, making the assumption that someone who says "I like anime" is into a particular fetish is an absurd leap of logic. I'm all for people having the right to watch whatever they want, but if you're going around publicly shouting that you're into content that find eyebrow-raising at best and repulsive at worst, you shouldn't be shocked when they respond in kind. There are some things it's best to keep inside the four walls of your room.
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ChimeyChime



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2025 11:21 pm Reply with quote
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The term wincest always makes me cringe. Yes, I know I'm a big ole spoilsport and shouldn't take this stuff seriously, but the fact is that I'm sure 99.99% of all real incest in the world is straight up rape of a child by a parent or an older sibling. So fine, have your little sordid fantasy of blood relatives hooking up voluntarily, but I wouldn't mind ditching the term wincest for all time.

I have a feeling that victims of incest, of which sadly there are probably more than we'd like to think, probably don't find the term all that cute.


Agreed. I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 7:20 pm Reply with quote
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also koi kaze is not the only well written incest series. there was also the angel sanctuary manga which was the original incest themed series from the 90's along with cress celestial legend that got me into the genre!


My guy, with all due respect there is no way you are putting Koi Kaze even in the same universe of quality as Angel Sanctuary. Don’t get me wrong AS is entertaining, but Koi Kaze is straight up art. It handles its characters with empathy while still showing you how their relationships hurt everyone.


well yea if you want to put it thay way.

sure both series is great, but the original was AS!

and yes. while your statement is accurate, it feels way too dejavu ish for it was the same type of arguement modern day yuri fans, especially those at MAL makes where they say the same for originals like utena where they say while that series is entertaining, witch from mercury is the alpha/omega of the genre and should set the standard!

what im trying to get at is that while koi elevated the bar, the standard of the genre involving romance batween blood related siblings, ( at at least for us old school otakus of the 80s & 90s ) and reason why it even existed is AS!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 8:18 pm Reply with quote
jr240483 wrote:
and yes. while your statement is accurate, it feels way too dejavu ish for it was the same type of arguement modern day yuri fans, especially those at MAL makes where they say the same for originals like utena where they say while that series is entertaining, witch from mercury is the alpha/omega of the genre and should set the standard!

Sure, people make asinine claims like that, but that doesn't mean they should at all be taken seriously. Go back nearly a full generation and you'll see tons of people in fandom claiming that Naruto had the same status for shonen action; this claim is just as short-sighted as that one. (And for the record, I do like Witch of Mercury and think it's an important title for the yuri genre, but it's not a standard-setter.)

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what im trying to get at is that while koi elevated the bar, the standard of the genre involving romance batween blood related siblings, ( at at least for us old school otakus of the 80s & 90s ) and reason why it even existed is AS!

Unless there's some industry commentary out there specifically backing up that last claim, I rather doubt this. AS and KK are entirely different approaches to the theme.
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jr240483



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 12:27 am Reply with quote
Key wrote:
jr240483 wrote:
and yes. while your statement is accurate, it feels way too dejavu ish for it was the same type of arguement modern day yuri fans, especially those at MAL makes where they say the same for originals like utena where they say while that series is entertaining, witch from mercury is the alpha/omega of the genre and should set the standard!

Sure, people make asinine claims like that, but that doesn't mean they should at all be taken seriously. Go back nearly a full generation and you'll see tons of people in fandom claiming that Naruto had the same status for shonen action; this claim is just as short-sighted as that one. (And for the record, I do like Witch of Mercury and think it's an important title for the yuri genre, but it's not a standard-setter.)


wasnt trying to disparage G Witch either. was making the point that like with the koi kaze/ AS debate, yuri fans do the same with G Witch and Utena where modern day fans that werent born in the 80's & 90's makes those newer series for their respected genres the modern day the end all be all of the genre which is kinda unfair to the original series of both genres!

Key wrote:

Unless there's some industry commentary out there specifically backing up that last claim, I rather doubt this. AS and KK are entirely different approaches to the theme.


well not in the american side, but to the japanese side back then in those days

after all, it was popular enough back then was one of the reasons why the angel sanctuary manga got 20 volumes in its run!
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