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EP. REVIEW: Dr. STONE SCIENCE FUTURE


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Azure Chrysanthemum



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2025 3:00 pm Reply with quote
Minos_Kurumada wrote:
It's super weird Zenku never tried to make an airplane.

He has the engenies, steel, wood, fabrics and plastics, we were flying 200 years ago with less than this and yet Zenku never tried, not even as a side project.

Kinda unbelievable if you ask me, specially how much emphasis was placed in the hot air balloon.


Planes of that grade are extremely difficult to make, they require thousands of small, precisely-machined high tolerance parts. The area in America is shown to have a factory set up (although honestly realistically, I kind of scoffed at this bit myself since later details will make the idea of putting an actual plane together tremendously unbelievable even by Dr. Stone standards). That said, if I were to pick one of the two to have the resources and intricate technical knowledge to pull it off, I'd absolutely pick Dr. Xeno over Senku. spoiler[Even a wunderkind like Senku wouldn't have been able to see the military drawings and blueprints that would be necessary to properly recreate a smaller military-grade plane like that.]
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Minos_Kurumada wrote:
It's super weird Zenku never tried to make an airplane.

He has the engenies, steel, wood, fabrics and plastics, we were flying 200 years ago with less than this and yet Zenku never tried, not even as a side project.

Kinda unbelievable if you ask me, specially how much emphasis was placed in the hot air balloon.


Even if he could have made it (and I doubt they were at the level of production needed to make a lightweight engine), they didn't have enough flat land or the means of flattening the land to make a runway.
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Obviously, X has access to resources, and seems on par with Senku in knowledge. Senku even acknowledges that he didn't come up with a lot of what he does, it's the accumulation of knowledge through history. But, I think the big problem is that X seems to be several steps ahead in terms of anticipating human conflict.
As fast as he reacted to Senku's crew, they seem to have set up surveillance in the area. Machine guns and planes are far beyond what they needed to hunt or survive. Those are things designed to overwhelm an enemy. Perhaps what is most troubling is that they baited Senku's team with the corn, which means X knew exactly what somebody would want, even if he probably doesn't expect why.
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Azure Chrysanthemum wrote:
Minos_Kurumada wrote:
It's super weird Zenku never tried to make an airplane.

He has the engenies, steel, wood, fabrics and plastics, we were flying 200 years ago with less than this and yet Zenku never tried, not even as a side project.

Kinda unbelievable if you ask me, specially how much emphasis was placed in the hot air balloon.


Planes of that grade are extremely difficult to make, they require thousands of small, precisely-machined high tolerance parts. The area in America is shown to have a factory set up (although honestly realistically, I kind of scoffed at this bit myself since later details will make the idea of putting an actual plane together tremendously unbelievable even by Dr. Stone standards). That said, if I were to pick one of the two to have the resources and intricate technical knowledge to pull it off, I'd absolutely pick Dr. Xeno over Senku. spoiler[Even a wunderkind like Senku wouldn't have been able to see the military drawings and blueprints that would be necessary to properly recreate a smaller military-grade plane like that.]


I am thinking more in an Ultralight, wich its a glorified chair with wings and a motor, Zeku has access at better materials and knowledge than the Wright Brothers, I refuse to believe that Zenku couldn't create one with all the BS he pulls in a daily basis.

blahmoomoo wrote:
Minos_Kurumada wrote:
It's super weird Zenku never tried to make an airplane.

He has the engenies, steel, wood, fabrics and plastics, we were flying 200 years ago with less than this and yet Zenku never tried, not even as a side project.

Kinda unbelievable if you ask me, specially how much emphasis was placed in the hot air balloon.


Even if he could have made it (and I doubt they were at the level of production needed to make a lightweight engine), they didn't have enough flat land or the means of flattening the land to make a runway.


Can't blame you for not remembering since it was ages ago, but they gave gigant hammers to the gorilla team and made them flatten a couple kms, then they used bitumen to create a modern road in order to connect the cave and the port.

I remember people complaining about how unrealistic that was while I thought it was the most believable part of the plot up to that moment.
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Minos_Kurumada wrote:
Can't blame you for not remembering since it was ages ago, but they gave gigant hammers to the gorilla team and made them flatten a couple kms, then they used bitumen to create a modern road in order to connect the cave and the port.

I remember people complaining about how unrealistic that was while I thought it was the most believable part of the plot up to that moment.


The land has to be level, not just flat enough for a car (I'm sure that road went over hills), so it would require moving a lot more of the land. But, I'll concede that because the story went as far as roads, it wouldn't be a huge stretch if the author wanted the Kingdom of Science to make a runway too.

I still think that even an Ultralight would be hard for Senku without a lot more miniaturization and precision engineering. They're easy to build in the modern world because we can make very light, compact, and efficient engines (it appears that most engines in Ultralights are 100 lb or less). I doubt the engines in Senku's boats are light enough.
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Senku and Ryusui are the kings of idiotic over-engineering. What is easier: converting their entire sailing ship into an aircraft carrier or PUTTING FREAKING PONTOONS ON THE PLANE!?

I know, right!? The whole time, I was shouting a the screen, “Just make it a sea plane, ya big dumbos!” Very Happy
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I'm glad it wasn't just me who wondered why they weren't making it into a sea plane. Was waiting for someone to correct them, but it never happened and then they started converting the ship into a carrier...
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I think there is some shared blame for the failed negotiations. Xeno's initial hostility does make sense in terms of his limited numbers, but a shoot first policy and only coming to the table when it doesn't work is going to provoke a more hostile response. And sure, Taiju probably should have stopped and discussed it before answering, but the risk of an opening bid of, "Give me everything" is that the other side will respond with, "We'll give you nothing."
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I also had a big laugh when Senku said there’s no bamboo in America. It’s very invasive here. Many people have tried to plant it and control it and failed.

I once had a professor tell me he built a concrete retaining wall 8 feet down into the dirt only to have the bamboo send runners under the wall within 2 years!

I would think that, after 3,000+ years of unfettered growth, there are now huge tracts of bamboo throughout the U.S. for Senku and the enemy to use. No bamboo, ha!
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So why don't Luna and the buffoons have petrification scars? While Luna's could be hiding under her bangs, I don't think her perfect star stamp is other than a (likely pre-petrification) tattoo.

I'm also wondering what the point is of Dr. X's claw thimbles, besides making him look like an evil lunatic. They're not even sharp.
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Has it ever been mentioned before that Senku is considered physically attractive? I honestly don't remember.


I remember back in season 1 when they were making ramen, Kohaku told Senku that he's an "色男," a good-looking guy who's popular with women. Does that count?
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Everlasting Coconut wrote:
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Has it ever been mentioned before that Senku is considered physically attractive? I honestly don't remember.


I remember back in season 1 when they were making ramen, Kohaku told Senku that he's an "色男," a good-looking guy who's popular with women. Does that count?


Even before that Kohaku was pretty openly interested in him when he got that tree of her in their first meeting, she just quickly learned he's got zero interest in that, respects him deeply and left that aspect alone. He's definitely got some kind of mad scientist appeal at any rate.
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Gina Szanboti wrote:
So why don't Luna and the buffoons have petrification scars? While Luna's could be hiding under her bangs, I don't think her perfect star stamp is other than a (likely pre-petrification) tattoo.

I'm also wondering what the point is of Dr. X's claw thimbles, besides making him look like an evil lunatic. They're not even sharp.


At this point, I'm going to assume it's just aesthetics. A bit of an odd choice for somebody focused on rational/scientific choices since I doubt those things help at all. But the characters whose petrification scars were healed on Treasure Island redrew them, so we're probably dealing with character design more than anything.
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Richard Eisenbeis wrote:
Did Xeno end up making paper just so Stanley could roll cigarettes?


Xeno wouldn't be the first dictator to make minor concessions to keep extremely important subordinates happy/appeased. And compared to the asspulls of establishing the massive Haber-Bosh plant, and the data storage silo used in this episode... Making paper is practically trivial and can be done with (literally) medieval grade technology.

And while the fibers from corn aren't (AIUI/IIRC) the greatest material for paper, they're going to be available in massive quantities. Even assuming they have some other pressing need for the corn stalks and husks, I have a hard time believing they'll miss the few bushels needed to support Stanley's addiction.

(Source have studied papermaking, both theoretical and practical, and briefly studied under a papermaker.)
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• I can't decide. Is the whole “you must not fall asleep for 5000 years” to be revived thing true or just misinformation Xeno is using to explain why he's only depetrified a few people?


It's been a while since I watched the first season, but from what I can remember, combined with what we've learned in these past two episodes, Xeno seems to be telling the truth. Senku and Xeno were the first to awaken via nitric acid because they kept their brains going like crazy. Based on the brain waves detected in those petrified birds, which were slowly declining, and because of the reaction to nitric acid, it was deduced that revival was possible if they could maintain consciousness long enough for the right circumstances to occur.

Senku knew that Taiju's simple-minded nature combined with his desire to confess to Yuzuhira would have kept him going all this time, so he put his friend in the revival cave to let the nitric acid work it's magic. His awakening took a long time, however, presumably because his brain activity was weaker, but it worked eventually. The nitric acid seems to have worked much quicker on Stanley and the people who heard his order to stay awake, presumably because they knew (or, at least, strongly suspected) that maintaining consciousness could eventually lead to their revival. It probably also helped that Stanley's team was loyal and highly disciplined, while Luna and her groupies had strong obsessions to keep them motivated. There was a flashback scene in this week's episode showing the female soldier carrying statues on the journey to California, which I'm guessing were comrades who failed to maintain consciousness (and thus couldn't be revived with only nitric acid). That last part is just a theory, but it seems reasonable.

Tsukasa and Yuzuhira, on the other hand, were revived using the revival fluid (nitric acid + alcohol). In the case of Tsukasa, upon his revival, he asked Senku to explain the situation and then acted upon on it. I remember Senku said something about how Tsukasa was able to react almost purely on instinct. In the case of Yuzuhira, she mentioned feeling confused and disoriented, which reminded me of how I feel when I first wake up in the morning (i.e. groggy and only somewhat conscious). I'm guessing neither of them were able to maintain consciousness, so they wouldn't have woken up with just nitric acid.
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