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mufurc
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FYI, I never said Eva was a bad show, nor that I hated it. I do think it's overhyped and painfully pretentious, but otherwise it's a decent show. Its flaws (and the "if you don't like it you're too stupid to understand its greatness" mentality from even some of the more sensible fans) overshadow its good points as far as I'm concerned, but I wouldn't have watched it twice if I thought it was horrible and completely unworthy of attention.
It's just that there's this inordinate amount of hype that follows it which is irritating as hell. Yes, some fans can view it from a relatively objective pov and realize that even though they find it great, it's not, in fact, the alpha and omega of anime. Still, too many fans can't, and praise the show so loudly and blindly that it defies all common sense - hence the urge to "tear it down." Or, y'know, just argue against its all-encompassing greatness. I mean, I met a guy once who was ready to elevate Anno as a director on the same level as Kurosawa, Truffaut and Fellini, and advised people to watch End of Eva "as if it was the only movie you'll ever see". Which is simply ridiculous, IMO. (And it's not just Eva. It's the same with Elfen Lied, Suzumiya Haruhi, and all other shows that's been praised as "the best". Just call anything "the best" and somebody will definitely step up to argue.) |
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digitalrexAM2
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everyone is entitled to their opinion, anime and eva are art, and therefore everything is up to interpritation
i like eva, it is ONE of the best anime ever, not THE best anime ever.....to call anything THE best is imposible i like eva because in watching it, i was drawn to different philosophies and ideas in the series and also like i said i really like the characters, particularly Asuka, i am not sure why exactly but the character just has stuck with me.....the only other character that has done that for me is Haruhi in the end eva is what one takes away from it as much as it is what is on screen i also just dont like trolls......i never said that you hated eva nor am i saying that you are a troll, i just dont like people going on boards and complaining about series they dont like, if someone does not like it dont watch it |
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prime_pm
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When I watched Austin Powers: Goldmember, my comments were that it was the funniest of all three movies. Not the best one, just the funniest one.
Eva is a complex case. The main question to ask is: If Anno didn't bring all this up first, who would've?" Maybe things would have changed on their own, maybe not. We don't know that though. If we went back in time and killed Hitler in grade school, would things be better? We don't know. We could go back in time and make Walt Disney cook up some Mickey-Minney porn for all we know. Or develop the yaoi generation even faster with Mickey-Goofy, or furries with Minnie-Pluto. But I digress. Did Eva truly break ground? Did it merely scrape the surface? Who really knows? I hold it in high regard, yes. But it doesn't hold me; I've moved on. I can't just parody the same Shinji-screaming-on-a-train scene in music videos forever. There are other things out there. I remember what its themes meant to me at the time, but today I look for greater things to come. Greater things that I could some day come up with. If only the voices in my head would stop arguing. I guess Anno is right at one point in his statement. Keep the past, but keep moving. Cherish what we have been given, but don't praise it as a religion. Tradition may build the foundation, but creativity rewrites the tradition. Let's see where Anno's going with these films. Just don't hold it to the same accounts as the original. But, at the same time, keep an open mind for brighter things. Course, I'm speaking on the internet, so nobody's gonna give a rat's ass what I say. Come to think of it, Mickey and Minnie would already be committing bestiality, wouldn't they? I'll have to think on this. |
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luhead
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All these movies mean to me is ten more long years of "otaku" chasing their tails in threads like this. For the love of God, I don't think I can take it. Anno, dammit, at least you could have given these people something NEW to talk about, couldn't you?
Oh, that's right, you have tried that and nobody cared. I get it now. Good luck in fattening up that old bank account, Anno-sensei. 
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digitalrexAM2
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there is nothing wrong with making some honest profit, as long as we keep buying it they will sell it
and debating eva is fun, and in the end that is all that matters |
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GATSU
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CCSYueh:
Welcome to the club. I remember when Zac was using his literary "credentials" to justify his superior expertise over mine in being able to evaluate the show. Anyway, have a toasty frog. It's good for ya.
ximpa:
He's been at Gainax since the beginning. I seriously believe he got lucky with Gunbuster, because everything else the company's produced reeks of fanboy pretention and conceit. v1cious:
Akira, Guyver and Patlabor. neko:
I don't mind emo in itself, but like the Goth lifestyle, it's become a parody more than a fashion statement. Kouji:
It's not like the tv show has anything more to offer. chico:
I'm sure there are a lot of anime titles besides Eva which would be considered sexist or oppressive, regardless of their subject matter. (For example, why are the girls in Totoro saved by a "male" woodland creature?  ) But I think what makes Eva stand out is that the female characters are bitchy, irresponsible, and selfish. At least in a series like Love Hina or Ranma, this approach is done with a comedic intent in mind.
digital:
Of course, Anno ripped off Tomino's Ideon, so he's clearly the real failure. Rogue:
Yeah, I also hate when people call crime films Tarantino "inspired". As if he's the only one who ever made them. 
mufurc:
*cough* Princess Maker *cough* penguin:
It's not just the lack of depth. It's the lack of appeal. Evangelion is creatively and emotionally sterile, its mediocrity embraced, rather than avoided.
Haven't seen Haruhi, but I don't think anyone expects it to be more than fluff. What's probably disappointing the detractors of that series is that they were convinced that there was something "cool" about it, and it comes off average to people who've seen enough of its ilk. (For example, Love Hina.) What's disappointing Eva haters, though, is the bs that the show is somehow "different", when it's clearly the opposite.
Yes, all teen boys spoiler[masturbate on girls in a coma]. Next you'll be telling me why I should appreciate the "genius" of Larry Clark, because he's not a pedophile, damnit-he's an "artist".
Anyway, I'm just waiting for the inevitable Anno MySpace page.
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chrono2005
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 BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
That is the best ignorant statement I've read on the internet today! A little knowledge will show you that there are NO attempts at directly copying NGE. As a matter of proof NGE is actually more of a 3rd remake of a common theme then an original anime. Ideon vastly pre-dates NGE and uses many of the same themes. Radeen as well, and Gunbuster as well. RahXephon is an acknowledged modern remake of Radeen and all of it's similarities are because NGE took them from Radeen to begin with. Besides it's widely excepted by many anime viewers that RahXephon is better simply due to it's superior storytelling. But this will never be believed as anything beyond heretical talk by the followers of the Cult of NGE/Anno. Frankly 4 new movies??? Why? There have been hundreds of doujin made that have explored the content more diversely then a mere 4 movies ever could. And if the advertisted artwork in NewType is real, and a HUGH amount of the time it is, then the artwork will be subpar to not only the original series but also most work since then.
It would be AWSOME if they ever did a series or movie together! But then again I don't think that the Toyoko Con Center would be able to hold their bloated egos at the same time. If it was a series I'd say that we'd be on our 3 group of characters before episode 12 and have gone through hating school/parents, girlfriends/college, and finally humanity/nationality and why it all needs to be 'reset' at the end. |
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Ryvius213
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I really don't see that happening. More than likely, they'll just go on about who's better. 
I'm a big fan of Evangelion(or rather the human drama genre in general), but I really don't think these new movies will be nearly as good as the original TV series that started it all. Anno couldn't even interpret his own series properly. It WAS NOT about a boy who faced his fears and never gave up. Just reading that part made me twitch. Evangelion has undoubtedly left its mark in anime history, but to say that it is newer than any series made since then is pushing it. There are PLENTY of newer and more original anime series out there. Just because it isn't popular, doesn't mean it's not "new." 
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ximpalullaorg
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My point was that since he started he never did something that was good all along (Gunbuster had a terrible ending - dramatic but purely a plot device, Nadia is "meh" in my opinion), but like other "big names" in the anime industry he thinks he's the best. Oh and I don't "hate" Eva because it's not deep. I think the series sucks due to incoherent storytelling (with those references thrown in since they "look cool"), not likeable characters, and boring inserts. I had to force myself to watch all EoE - my younger brother summed the movie perfectly by saying it was "stupid and boring". |
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Zac
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Give me a break, Daniel. I'm not the one who goes on the attack any time Evangelion is mentioned in any thread. I didn't post about it earlier but I can't believe you busted out the "Evangelion has no plot" crap. You know what a plot is, don't you? You do realize that a plot is a sequence of events, and that you've likely never actually seen a film that has "no plot"? You're smarter than this. At least that's what I tell myself so I can still have an ounce of respect for you. |
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GATSU
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ximpa:
I fell asleep during Nadia, but the reason I like the Gunbuster ending is because of the authentic progression of the story. It does get a little sappy at the end, but it still pays off, because of the emotional attachment to the characters. Every other Gainax anime, with the possible exception of Otaku No Video, has made me feel detached from the characters. That's what makes Gunbuster one of the few genuine gems at that company. Zac:
Evangelion doesn't consist of a sequence of events as much as a sequence of angels and pilots. The average giant robot story at least covers the situation on the ground(or in space) but Evangelion just has Shinji and co. piloting the mechs through most of the series. Character development and background(if it can be called that) are incidental at best.
Um, yes I have, and it's called "The Blair Witch Project". |
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ximpalullaorg
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The problem with Gunbuster's ending is that is, as I said, a plot device. Showed poor planning IMO. THat ruined the whole ending for me, because I knew that all that happened afterwards wasn't "believable" but just another moment of "The Script Says So". Eva in certain points (especially the movies) shows that. And I don't believe the new movies will be any different. |
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xanbcoo
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Considering that the final 2 episodes, as well as most of the latter half of the series dealt entirely with Shinji coming to terms with his life, I'd be inclined to completely disregard this comment. Saying that a movie (or anime) has "no plot or character development" is probably the most overused and baseless "critique" out there. I have nothing to say about the criticism of the quality of "depth" and "symbolism" in Eva, however. Most of the comments regarding that couldn't be more true. Anyway, I really can't wait for these movies. I'm interested to see how this turns out. Last edited by xanbcoo on Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:29 am; edited 1 time in total |
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JoshuaStChristopher
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Yeah, how dare that silly Anno have confidence in his work.
And what the hell, Gatsu? Sorry we can't all be in with the cool kids like you, and sit up on our Ivory towers trying to say how EVA HAS NO PLOT HURR
Guess what? It does. Regardless of if you like or dislike the show, you're letting your insane rage blind you. It has a plot. The show is not NEARLY as incoherent as people make it out to be. In fact, it really doesn't take all that much time to invest to understand what's going on. Hey, I like Evangelion. It's not my favourite, nor do I think it's some "alpha and omega" of anime as some have described. It was the most influential anime of the last twenty years, no matter what anyone says. The fact that it's still being discussed today is further proof of that. No one is trying to say that Eva pioneered some new ground or did things no one else did, it just inspired a lot of the direction anime has gone in prior to the series. Also, I'm really sick of hearing people complain about "milking" Eva. Guess what? Business. As in, businesses need to make money, and they're going to sell the things that make them money. It's not like we've been bombarded by a new Evangelion anime every year since the initial series ended.. Yeah, screw that Kentarou Miura guy! He's done 32 volumes of Berserk! HE'S MILKING IT CASH COW LOL
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ximpalullaorg
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Except the fact that most of it was just a way to patch things since they had no money left. I don't believe a single word of that two episodes. |
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