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Swissman
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Honestly, it never ceases to amaze me how much hate, vitriol and jealousy is brought up these days in any discussion about Evangelion and Anno Hideaki. So many bitter older fans who claim that Anno ripped the eighties oldies "Spaceship Runaway Ideon" and "Gundam", so many disappointed younger fans who expected some lifechanging experience after hearing so much hype about the franchise, so many viewers who thought the ending was crap/self-righteous and never liked arthouse-narration in the first place...
And the list goes on, and on, and on ... Are there actually any *neutral* viewers around here? People who see good and bad points about the plot/art/franchise without generalizing everything because they couldn't cope with one aspect about it or loved the characters extremely? People who also consider the japanese background of the phenomenon and it's place in anime history? People, who neither have been fooled by the huge hype in english fandom nor by the bitter nay-sayers? Those viewers must float around somewhere. I'd be glad to hear more from them what they think about the idea of Gainax reusing their mega.hit Evangelion. |
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CCSYueh
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[quote="MokonaModoki"]I
It was pretty terrific (in a variety of ways) for 1995-96. But it wasn't Finnegan's Wake, kids, no matter how incomprehensible they tried to make it. At least James Joyce understood symbolism when he used it. NGE's creators threw a bunch in just to be strange (i.e. the whole "No, none of us were Christian, were those symbols supposed to actually mean something?" attitude). quote]
THANK YOU! We have the answer! For those who can understand Joyce (or whoever), Joyce/whoever does it better, more sublimely, more vivdly-whatever. However, if someone hands you the secrets of the universe, but they're written in Russian & you speak/read no Russian whatsoever, they don't exactly help you, do they? It's like the Beatles. So many people love the Beatles. They were so great-groundbreaking, right? Although many serious commentary of their work points out most of their groundbreaking ideas were done by someone else first-they just had an incredible knack for packaging it for the masses. And much of their other grounbreaking ideas, per their producer, stemmed from their total ignorance of accepted musical rules/conventions/etc. It's sort of sad in a way. Anno commenting there has been nothing in the last 12 yrs since Eva. So he's just dismissed a decade of his own life? (Although I agree he brought nothing to Kare Kano. The manga is much better) But it is the Eva fans who do foster so much of this hate. So many "I just finished Eva.." what does it mean? Or it's like the Emperor's New Clothes-trhey're afraid to admit they don't "get it", so they just start generalizing. Or talking about the sex. Or violence. And all the "You're too stupid to understand" Gee, I can't watch an OVA of a show to see if I like the style/story & move on to the series next. Because I don't have a brain & haven't seen any movies or tv shows or read any books in the 46 yrs I've been on this planet. It never ceases to amaze me how my daughter has seen movies her friends have NEVER heard of just because I've exposed her to them. At least she's seen The Marx brothers, Arsenic & Old Lace, M, & others so she has a mental ref to the REAL people & not the caracatures channeled by hundreds of modern actors. |
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HellKorn
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The amount of bitching in this thread is remarkable. Is that the only thing some people know how to do 'round these parts?
Come close to what? Influence? Quality? Popularity? I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on the first and third options, but the second one is blind fanaticism to say that nothing has even come close to Neon Genesis Evangelion.
Somebody sure as hell wasn't paying attention in The End of Evangelion and other various spots in the series.
Details, my friend? And of course, this just wouldn't be a thread about NGE without Gatsu.
Please tell me that you're not insisting that Evangelion "rip-offed" of them.
Being influenced by something doesn't constitute as ripping-off another's work. In the case of Space Runaway Ideon... well, I take it all the influences are found later in the series and in Be Invoked, considering that early batch of episodes that I watched before giving up were horrid repetitive drivel.
That's the most unintentionally hilarious things I've ever read from you, Gatsu.
Come off it. That's a bunch of bull that is only coming out of your unending, blind hatred for NGE.
The people calling you stupid are idiotic, certainly, but basing your entire opinion of a work off what is supposed to be a recap for those who have already seen the entire series is ridiculous.
Read the above.
Yeah, they sure neglected Rei, Asuka, and Misato when they devoted entire segments to their personalities, why they acted that way, getting behind what made them tick, etc. Not to mention that it's made painfully clear what the hell NGE is about if you have been brain-dead for the past twenty-four episodes.
I hate NGE fanatics who label it as the most complex and deep anime ever created as much as I hate fools who brush off NGE as a piece of garbage with no direction in storytelling, pitiful characters, and endings that aren't "endings" because they'd rather see something more pedestrian rather than something outside the norm.
I'm seeing as much, if not arguably more hate coming from the NGE bashers than those who think it to be the grand daddy of anime. Both camps are involved on this one, dude. ... Anyway, all of this " IT/YOU SUCK!!" aside, I'm looking forward to the movies. Anno could claim himself to be God, and I couldn't care less so as long as he puts out a quality product. If not, then I have the original series and EoE to turn back on. |
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Kouji
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HazelAsher
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Um hi *cough*. I guess I'm one of the neutral viewers here.
When I first saw EVA I didn't really like it because it was confusing and I was young. Now that I've grown up a bit, I enjoy it for what it is (to be honest, I find it somewhat depressing, but it's a cool story). I'm not the biggest EVA fan EVARR but hey, I don't mind what it presented, either. The milking of the series doesn't bother me anymore; at first, it was rather annoying, but hell, I wish they'd come out with a spiffy jacket and 12 meter figure of Saya from BLOOD+ or something. You die-hard EVA fans are lucky that you get so much cool merchandise. 
Anyway, like I said, I'm not the biggest fan of the series but I'm interested to see the movies and see where Anno goes with them. The only thing that slightly bothered me about the interview is when he stated "However, over the past 12 years, there has been no anime "newer" than Eva." Maybe this statement was lost in translation, but c'mon...Cowboy Bebop? I know hundreds of people who HATE anime and have never seen Evangelion but always tell me how much they enjoy Spike & Co. on their adventures. This always brings a smile to my face, because even though the show wasn't over-flowing with symbolism, it was still unique enough to capture an audience that extended far beyond our humble otaku culture and into the hearts of viewers from all over the world. But hey, Anno is promoting his work and if the new movies live up to his words, then more power to him. |
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Amasa
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One thing that I thought was pretty obvious in his interview was that he was really talking about Japanese audiences. There is a very big difference between Japanese audiences and American/Australian or anywhere else. Cowboy Bebop was more popular in the West than in Japan. Neon Genesis Evangelion was more popular in Japan that in the West. Perhaps Anno is right when he states there has been no newer anime than NGE, because, as he makes it pretty clear, NGE attracted more younger male audiences than any other anime since. I will say that I believe him, even though the English translation of his interview does make him sound egotistical and hubristic. I think he wants to make these films to satisfy his own need for a fair round-off to the franchise and also to attract those lost audiences of Japan back to anime. I really think everyone is taking this too seriously. It's so much easier to insult something than it is to compliment and be optimistic - this is a sad truth that we experience every day. There is a perfect reason why NGE is being milked and that's because fans of the series are still buying all the merchandise... sorry but why wouldn't you continue to produce merchandise if people out there still want it and you're making money from it? All you pessimists are honestly, quite hurtful. I'm not an NGE Die-Hard and to be honest, I only initially enjoyed the series and the films because it had the appearance of being deep and intelligent. Since then I've grown up a bit and come to realize that it's a great series for what it is, how it says it and why. If you don't like the series then don't personally insult the creators of it. Anno isn't making the four films for people who don't want to like it, he's making the films for me and people who are going to enjoy whatever they want and can from anime without being influenced by the opinions of the narrow-minded American message board-ers. And yeah, I called you narrow-minded because that's what you are if you dismiss something before you've even seen it. It's okay to be skeptical about a "retelling" of the Eva series but come on, is it okay to display your ignorance and maliciousness to the general public? Also, why take all your anger out on Anno? I seriously doubt he has much say on exactly how much merchandise is sold. Well, I'm definately looking forward to the new movies. I think it will be great to bring something so old back to the public for people who haven't seen the original. Also, the films are inevitably going to attract huge audiences since Eva got even bigger once it was long finished. This films will attract people who have never even watched anime. I'm not even talking about Western audiences here. What's most importance for my enjoyment of anime in Australia, is that it is made in Japan where there is the most demand for it. As long as that remains then I will always watch anime. |
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HazelAsher
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GATSU
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Kouji:
I'm not a big Bebop fan, either. But, unlike Eva, I don't feel aggravated by it, because Watanabe isn't full of himself like Anno.
Nope. That's just something I do for fun. Teehee. CCS:
I think what makes The Beatles better than most white artists of that time is that they actually promoted the black singers they covered. Plus they could write their own songs, and weren't just a cover band. If there's a musical equivalent to Evangelion, however, it's Oasis. Or if you want to mean about it, Hole. 
Hellkorn:
Shinji going berserk is straight out of Guyver. |
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Kouji
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CCSYueh
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I need to eat the whole bowl of soup (& maybe puke) to know I don't like it? And we all have to watch an entire season of a tv show before deciding if we like it or not. I never dreamed everyone couldn't read upsidedown & backward until I ran into several co-workers who couldn't & thought I was a freak for being able to read it just as well as if it's been facing the proper way. And I have no problem watching/reading shows/books out-of-order because I'm pretty good at filling in the gaps. So I need to waste 12 hrs of my life to MAKE SURE it does nothing for me. I did my time watching soap operas when I was a teenager. I just want to slap all those whiney wimps giving us gals a bad name. I'm supposed to feel more generous when it's whiney boys? Sorry. Stand on your own 2 feet. I work with druggies. "No one understands me, that's why I have to do drugs" "My life sucks, that's why I have to use drugs""I can't get a job because I'm a convicted felon!" We all have our lot in life. There's always someone out there who has it worse than you do. And they're usually the one's not complaining. Would it make you happier if I also admitted to owning the last dvd (I like Akira Ishida). So I sat thru all the "Look at my incredible artistic abilities!!!!" (Brian DePalma does split-screen better.) All the self-indulgent tricks of the title that have been over-used in art-house flicks for ages. (I've also had the first one for 3 months, just can't force myself to watch. I have to watch it subtitled because I'm only interested in the Japanese VA's. And it means raising my bloodpressure wading thru all the the ""I AM MAKING A STATEMENT THAT WILL CHANGE ALL OF YOUR PUNY, PATHETIC LIVES!!!" I don't need to be talked down to by a guy making cartoons in Japan. (Isn't it so annoying when someone's talking down to you thinking you don't notice because you're that stupid, but of course you can tell?) As I said, I have my secrets of the universe already, thank you. I prefer subtle-wow, there it is. I don't have to be beat over the head with it. I think that's the same problem others who don't like Eva have-they don't need it because they have something that speaks more to their souls. Eva fans just seem to think theirs are the only secrets of the universe that matter. And for Anno to make such a bloated statement is BEGGING people to disagree. Taking his side, they might as well just stop making all other anime other than Eva because Eva is the only one that matters. Everything else is a waste of time, effort & precious resources. And if I LIKED Death & Rebirth & then checked out Eva & liked it, there would be no problem. Because I would agree with you that Eva is better than Jesus, right? |
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ktchmeifucan
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[quote="v1cious"][quote="NGE1113"]
mmm , that's was an ego problem , if i'm not wrong , lain was an amazing anime , i've also enjoy "horror " anime as shigoku shoujo , (sounds weird.) Ergo proxy has an amazing projection , i can mention a lot of anime after eva , the only thing that i can´t deny is the argument , it's amazing , and there are only 2 o 3 series with that excellent mix , between , drama , existencial problems , violence , pshycological violence and a lot of elements. Cya , hope to post soon |
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Tyrenol
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Hideaki Anno had spoken like a true career director who has no clue on what he had just done to the industry and the anime fanbase.
Let me go back to the top with this one:
Half-naked comatose female lead (of two) (Asuka) A few minutes. White goop all over the hand of said spineless loser male lead (Shinji) AND, last I checked, Anno's responsible for the "Re: Cutey Honey" series. For some franchise (ala Gundam), sure. Okay. But there's something people like to call "moving on." |
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HellKorn
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Right, because it isn't like, oh, say, Tomino has an an enormous ego, or that there are directors out there in any medium who think too highly of himself. Separate content from the creator. An asshole could make the most moving film ever created while the most humble could create the worst piece of moving pictures ever crafted.
So, like, that's so totally a rip-off, right? Because apparently words like "homage" and "inspiration" aren't in your dictionary. I don't know if Anno was inspired by Guyver or not, but I don't really care. Just about every single story lifted out of ANY medium in fiction is inspired by or has a likeness to another work prior to it. Unless there is another work of fiction that has the exact same storyline, similar characters, ending, elements, direction, etc. that Evangelion, then your bitching only amounts to bitching.
How about actually reading what Kouji and I have said. You're basing your opinion on something that shouldn't really be viewed by some new to Evangelion. It's a freakin' recap to those who've already watch the whole series. You "sampling" it doesn't work here because what you get out of it doesn't mean by suddenly jumping head-first into a twenty-six episodes series without having actually seen ANY of the series. Now, if you were to say, watch the first few episodes of Evangelion and not like it, great, that's your opinion, proud of ya for it. But to base your judgment of an entire body of work on what is basically a handout only to those already familiar with it is foolish.
I'd take a guess that you aren't reading material that isn't plot heavy, not to mention you're neglecting the creator's efforts to create an story that, yanno, should be viewed in its entirety.
I certainly don't share that exaggerated opinion, and I would suspect that Kouji doesn't, either. Nice way to blow the opinions of Evangelion fans out of proportion, eh?
I find Ergo Proxy to be overrated yet I still love it, though that's another discussion. As far "only" two or three other series that have that mix? I'd advise for you to look into other anime or else include "I can only think of two or three series..." before making that call.
spoiler[Drugged, not comatose.] Yeah, Anno really scarred the anime audience and industry by including that scene.
... Your point being...?
There's also something called "moving on" when all you have to say about a franchise is more bitching about them "milking the cow." |
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Aaron White
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For your consideration:
http://butdonttrytotouchme.blogspot.com/2007/02/rebuild.html |
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eloyabun
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Mission accomplished, Anno-san
Anime fans are passionately discussing about Evangelion just like when it was released 12 years ago... and without showing a single frame of the new animation, character designs or even a plot synopsis. Americans must admit that Japanese people are the real master of marketing. "Halo 3" hype is rubbish compared to the anime fans hype...
Delicious… 
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