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einhorn303
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No minority population can lecture on this to lolicon. Any other minority's "othering" is like a pond compared to an ocean.
To clarify, of course my point is that neither side should have the moral justification to fire rockets at citizens, and that a difference in power between populations (whether gender differences or ethnic differences) doesn't effect the rightness/wrongness of either populations's actions (in this case, "it's ok for women to objectify men, but not ok for men to objectify women" like Bonham was saying.) |
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Sewingrose
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Yes, because objectifying certain genders is exactly like firebombing other people. |
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Zac
ANN Executive Editor
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Right, I remember the days when we had lolicon and non-lolicon drinking fountains and restrooms. Oh and that time a lolicon church was bombed, killing 4 little lolicons inside. Give me a god damn break |
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zanarkand princess
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This might be the most misguided metaphor ever. |
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Keonyn
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Well, that's just lovely. However, I recommend you find a better comparison as we really don't want people bringing major non-anime related political topics in to these threads as they run the risk of derailing the entire thread. If someone responds to your comment the discussion veers off course. This isn't a political forum, and regardless if you're trying to tie in that issue with this topic, the end result is that commenting on major hot button issues like that is bound to get a response and this isn't a forum or topic for those kinds of discussion. |
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YotaruVegeta
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I can't wait until einhorn303 responds, if he ever does. I have my popcorn and everything!
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Surrender Artist
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I kept wanting to try to join the debate over sexism in anime, but couldn't find a 'way in'. The only thing that I could think of to write began by suggesting that there was a lot of motivated reasoning innate in the argument and ultimately the development of some common standards and ideal scenario was needed to get past that. That's a little banal, platitudinous and general, but I was trying to go further with it. Then this happened...
...and I really didn't want to. Part of me doesn't like the piling on, but I can't feel too bad about it, because that was a severely absurd thing to write. Lolicons have neither the history of repression nor the persistent difficulties that befall many of the groups whom that article referred to. To claim not only that they do, but that they have it worse is ludicrous, if not reprehensible. Between this and the analogy with Palestinian rockets, I am left to believe that you suffer from a badly distorted and constricted perspective upon the world and yourself.
After how far and wide his comment has traveled and how it has met incredulous condemnation at every turn, I suspect that he'll bow out. I do feel a little uneasy about the pile of denigration that's formed upon him, but yowza! was that every a nastily foolish thing to write. Anyway, I've saved some disconnected comments upon the show up that I might as well dispose of: I really like having one of these every now and then. Everybody involved has a long enough and deep enough interest in the subject that I doubt that there's little risk of running out of things to say in the immediate future. You all interact pretty well too. I loved Mike Toole's joke about Justin Sevakis' taste. (especially because I too could be accused of liking 'tragedy porn') The talk about the meaning of the word fan was interesting simply because I hadn't thought of it. I rarely use the word and am likelier to say that, "I like X," than that I am a fan of something. By Zac's definition, I'm not a fan of any series in particular since there aren't any specific series that persistently expend a lot of time discussing or et cetera. It's always a little uncomfortable when a word shifts meaning within one's lifetime, but that's what happens to language, else we'd all still call a horse an ekwoz. The other thing that I thought of was to glibly wonder why none of you were talking about temples. The question about people who because fans before 1994 contra those who became fans after 2004 left me wondering what the Hell I am. I became interesting in 1996 or 1997, but not really particular dedicated until after I saw Cowboy Bebop in 2001, so by that standard, I fall in a nether realm between old and new schools. It shows in my tastes: I can't muster any real desire to watch a lot of things that Mike Toole and Daryl Surat mention with great enthusiasm, especially the giant robot shows (I didn't care for them even when I was a child), but can claim much the same thing about various things that define the 'new school', like K-On! or Clannad (which isn't even the first thing that I think of when I see the name Clannad, but I don't care about them either). I'm fairly receptive to a lot of the contemporary productions and even like several things that old school fans burbling condemn as mediocrities, but nevertheless find the apparent success of a some things, like Strike Witches frustratingly baffling. I almost want to deem myself a 'middle school' fan, but that sounds silly. Then again, I'm a very silly person. I liked Domain of Murder too. It's a weird little thing, but I dug it. There are more popular series that I don't care about than ones that I don't like. Almost the whole length of Sshōnen fighting shows, beloved by the masses, have, Yu Yu Hakusho, are not remotely interesting to me. I actively don't like Inu Yasha, but that's not really unusual. I concur with each and every condemnation of clichés that the hosts and guests issued. I really hate beach or hot springs episodes. They interrupt the story for no good reason and a lot of bad ones, but also pander so blatantly to the audience that it damages my suspension of disbelief and ability to feel invested in the plot. One that wasn't mentioned that I have come to loathe is the variant of the 'magical girlfriend' scenario that see a powerful synthetic humanoid (for some reason) female (for some reason) being who is submissive to a male master who generally in no way deserves it. Even when the master is a relatively benign figure, I find it really distasteful and usually just want the robot girl or what-have-you to mash the worthless twat into something resembling bad spaghetti bolognese. I also hate a lot of the design clichés of ecchi series, especially the improbable texture, I guess, of breasts and how shiny there are. Not only have these women apparently had what must have been life-threatening plastic surgery, but they had to have oiled themselves up too. This too is an act of blatant pandering that impedes my sense of investment in a series. |
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mahouyousei
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I only just listened to the anncast, but I wanted to mention that Takeshi Koike is 43.
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ikillchicken
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And that's concerning because while No. 6 itself is still a good show despite this, it does still support the assertion that noitaminA is trending increasingly toward shows that pander to otaku or fujoshi. I've actually already explained all of this in my last couple posts. |
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HeeroTX
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I meant to comment on the "fan" thing but got sidetracked by the moe discussion. Anyway, the discussion on the topic (and just for full disclosure, I've NEVER thought that all people that watch Naruto (for example) should be classified as fans), was interesting because it reminded me very vividly of a discussion I had at work. After making a random Star Trek reference, a coworker "accused" (can't think of a less loaded word right now) me of being a Star Trek fan. I replied that I used to watch Star Trek when I was younger, but I'm not a fan. I think that's an interesting comparison because most anyone on here has probably watched Star Trek and Star Wars, heck most of America has probably seen at least one Star Wars movie. But how many are FANS of either property? It's an important distinction because being seen as a fan of those carries a certain connotation or stigma. Just because you might've watched the full run of Deep Space Nine, doesn't mean you have a Starfleet uniform and speak in Klingon. As I think is true for the whole fansubs/piracy thing, there is a solid gray line between "fan" and "someone who watches something to kill time", but it's not a simple matter to say where that line is and who falls on which side. |
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YotaruVegeta
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Whatever with you and your Naruto dig. Naruto isn't some blight on the anime community.
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HeeroTX
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It wasn't a dig at Naruto, it was intended as an example using something that is widely consumed. Industry loves to reference Naruto download statistics as evidence of this massive "fandom". I'd be more inclined to believe an argument that all people that watch AnoHana are in fact anime FANS rather than making the same blanket statement for anyone who watches Naruto (or Bleach or Inu Yasha or several other widely watched shows), simply because if you watched AnoHana you were probably plugged into fan forums to FIND it. I'm not saying there aren't any fans that watch Naruto, I'm just saying not all people who watch it are fans. Is it a dig to suggest that some of the people that watch Dr. Who are not SciFi fans? |
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einhorn303
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I regret nothing of what I said and I'd write pages to debate the issue. But, when the site's staff and moderators basically say "shut up," I can't really do that. Plus, it would eventually just lead to the thread getting locked, so what's the point? I will say, though, that: - Some jobs will fire you for being gay; a significantly larger number of them will fire you for masturbating to Comic LO. - The mainstream media does not tolerate saying that gay people should be killed/castrated; it does tolerate saying people aroused by U15 idols should be killed/castrated. - There's two openly gay senators. What do you think about the electability of an openly lolicon senator? |
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rowsdower
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Are you seriously comparing gay men and lesbian women who want to have relationships with consenting adults and be treated as human beings with human scum who want to fudge little girls? And don't start the whole "lolicon =/= pedophilia!" thing when you brought up being aroused by real models under the age of 15. |
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Zac
ANN Executive Editor
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I'm locking this thread anyway and letting it sink to the bottom of the ocean, hopefully to be forever forgotten by time.
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