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hikaru004
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Seven Seas should sit down and explain it clearly to the manga-ka imo.
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HeeroTX
Posts: 2046 Location: Austin, TX |
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I agree, she shouldn't have ANY confusion about why her series was cancelled over here and if Seven Seas did not explain to her precisely what caused them to cancel it, I can't imagine that other mangaka will be all that excited to work with them if they are seen as just dropping titles with no explanation. (I mean, arguably Japanese companies do that, but at least then it's understood that the primary reason is "popularity" and "sales")
I realize most people are sick of this, and I'd welcome PMs instead, but I still want to know how Nymphet is "worse" than Crayon Shin-chan which last night had the primary character touching a guys crotch and him getting aroused by that (theoretically, he was blushing and commenting altho he didn't say "you're giving me a hard on" or something) and it's also had Shin in bed with a woman and Shin making overtures etc etc. And that is both released as a manga overhere AND on Cartoon Network in anime form. (I still have no desire to actually read/buy Nymphet, I just don't see how it's worse than a title getting a pretty big push (both in anime and manga forms) over here) |
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Pepperidge
 Posts: 1104 Location: British Columbia, Canada |
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Wow, talk about missing the point completely. Someone should really try and clarify this issue for her.
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CCSYueh
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My husband showered with my daughter until she was about 7 or so. He decided enough was enough one day when she grabbed something & showering with the kid became my job. He still bathed her when necessary (mud piles, etc) doing the shampoo thing at least. By the age of 7-8 they can do a certain amount of scrubbing on their own But yeah, the CPS thing is what scared him. It doesn't take much. My daughter's lousy pronunciation had them on my doorstep more than once (Mother in law got pissed & threw a hamburger across the room at dinner, whizzing past the girl's head. The daycare worker heard "hammer" & CPS was there by the afternoon after the hamburger was thrown. Keep milk in the fridge. It's the first thing they check). I knew a guy who was applying rash cream to his 5 yr old & had to do counseling for a month to get the 3 kids back. Come on. I work with adult clients & I don't care how hot they are--I remind myself they're convicted felons & they aren't appealing at all. I wouldn't get hot over a naked 8 yr old boy standing in front of me. Not even if he were playing with himself (I'd tell him to get his clothes back on & people don't play with themselves in public) It's called willpower & self control. |
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fighterholic
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Yeah, another word for that would be "public baths."
I was laughing my head off when I saw this part, because I've heard this happen to a lot of people. It even happened to my dad. It's funny and it hurts at the same time, we guys happen to be "sensitive" at times. You know, my teacher back in high school said that he used to bathe with his daughter until she was 16, but she didn't say anything and neither did he, nor did they "do" anything. It just so happened one day that she got the idea and then they started bathing individually. It's just a way of culture over there. |
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The Xenos
 Posts: 1519 Location: Boston |
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Ha! That reminds me of something from my vacation in Japan. Let's not forget the public bathhouses. I went to one with a friend visting Japan with me and some friends of a friend staying over there. I was weirded out by getting naked in a semi-public place and among strangers, but then I noticed the families there. There were fathers with sons and even grandfathers in these public baths. That kinda helped put aside the weirdness of the experience. Though to be honest, the issue of manga is far from just innnocent bathing. There are issues of sexual attraction to young girls by adult men. Now I think a comic book is an apropriate place to explore these feelings, even if it's done in a comedic tone. Unfortunately, Seven Seas doesn't agree and is afraid to take the risk of public backlash. I honestly can't blame them even if I would have like to see such a book see print in America and test the boundries. |
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Dargonxtc
 Posts: 4463 Location: Nc5xd7+ スターダストの海洋 |
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Lets remember this article is more about the creator, and what she thinks is going on. Not about Seven Seas. I have a feeling this will get locked unless you stay spot on topic.
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MokonaModoki
 Posts: 437 Location: Austin, Texas |
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Woo hoo! Another Nymphet thread!
I don't think that the manga-ka really needs to understand why US publication of the manga was really cancelled. It seems far better (and convenient) that she simply accept the erroneous conclusions that she reached herself. The truth about our collective American obstinate ignorance and divisiveness over something that most had no direct experience of would likely prove impossible for her to grasp. Cue scenario of belligerent American detractors who haven't read it trying make her understand what her manga is really about (regardless of what she may think). Edit to add:
She understands everything she needs to, regardless of the details. |
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CCSYueh
Posts: 2707 Location: San Diego, CA |
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It is interesting that, even using a web translator, that all she got out of it was incest as the big killer.
Though with her referring to it as loli suggests is is more in the realm of light entertainment than trying to solve any social issues. She obviously realizes her title is loli (possibly even a demand title as we see from time to time like Casino Lily where Nitta comments it was her first-write-on-the-subject the editor told her to.) It's sort of like a story a co-worker told me about finding a roach in some food at an oriental resaurant in town & calling over the manager who, due to language barrier or culture, couldn't see what the issue was. My co-worker, unable to get it thru to the manager most Americans have issues with roaches in their food, went to sit in the car while her husband finished up. When he came out, the kitchen had nicely boxed my co-worker's food for her still unable to understand her being upset with the extra protein(or whatever) was in her food. It is nice to see the Seven Seas people clearly stating the issue & yeah, a major culture dif the author can't. And so sad in a way the fans who want to read it are labled as better than those who don't. |
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ZeroRyoko1974
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per his ask answerman column he is busy drinking heavily. |
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Viga_of_stars
 Posts: 1240 Location: Washington D.C. in the Anime Atelier |
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i used to take baths with mom when i was really little like from birth till 5 or 6. and grandma would give me a bath too. but i think that even if the same thing happens in the US we dont put it in the media on tv shows or stories like japan does. thus the not knowing. on a related question does other countries base what they know on our media.?i know some american do that based on the media from that country |
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ArielTsuki
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Actually, no. No male in KoJika really are attracted to the children in Nymphet (although Rin's guardian Reiji is a very complicated case. spoiler[He's attracted to Rin, not because she's a child, but the child of his lover, her mother and his cousin. He sees Rin as a part of Rin's mother).] The part that the Seven Seas Prez made a big deal out is blown out of proportion since it was clearly an accident and fairly tame with some of the material that was in volume 1, which he approved of. Also, the author getting geninuely confused over why it was dropped (and although the incest or mixed bathing with a child), does show some insight of what is she's trying with KoJika (although it is established it's a parody of lolicon manga and a story about family and the such). I wonder she knows the reason now. |
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eloyabun
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I remember that the classic Ghibli movie Tonari no Totoro depicted a scene with a father bathing with his daughters and as far I can remember that scene wasn't cut for the english release of that movie. Was it because Ghibli knows how to portrait father & daughters relation in a proper, non pornographic way? 
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omar235
 Posts: 1572 Location: Florida, Jacksonvile |
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Seriously, I don't really know why they were afraid to publish it cosidering what is out there now and what is being shown, but if they felt there was cause for concern I am not going to ask them to push the issue. I like Seven Seas...don't want anything bad to happen to them.
I can understand the publishers confusion to though...because I am comfused myself, which is to say I don't think that the reasons they gave were really that big of a deal. But then again the public could lynch them for this, even though there is what I consider worse on T.V. now, they may have just not noticed...er I don't know what goes through peoples minds, sometimes they just pick and chose which things to lynch and attack. For that reason I guess it was a smart move not to take a chance. I agree Shin-chan is worst. And for the record I stopped bathing with my parents when I was 8. |
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chicogrande
 Posts: 190 Location: Huntsville, Alabama |
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The manga author of "Nymphet" said,
"The boundaries on the depictions of loli* and so on vary with each locale, era, and culture, so if people there [in North America] decide that it's out-of-bounds, then that's that." loli=lolitas Regardless of the unfortunate loss in "machine translation," she hit half the mark with her response: (testing) the boundaries in the depictions of lolitas. That is what buying anime and manga in the US has been gradually becoming for consumers. For example, Vampire Princess Miyu had been the ultimate vampire girl tale for a while now. That is, until Moon Phase. These two shows offer a valid representation of the evolution of anime otakudom in the last 9 to 10 years when compared. The character of Miyu is 13/14 years old, like Hazuki, but she isn't some cat-ear wearing coquette out to make guys spooge on a tissue. While Miyu is a truly sad and fulfilling character of a very old entity trapped in such a young shell, Hazuki prances around in her frilly dress and cat-ears behaving like a brat forever. It's maddening. |
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