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NEWS: Osaka Police Sweeps 70 Stores for "Harmful" Shōjo Mags


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Kimyo



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 2:31 am Reply with quote
I hope they'll start slapping ratings on all shoujo shounen seinan etc manga, like they do over here. When I'm shopping, I always check the rating. If it's "ages 7 and up", I put it back and save my money. If it's "for Mature Readers Only", it's comin' home with me! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 4:45 pm Reply with quote
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Well, the original Asahi Shinbun article mentions that many shoujo magazines contain ads for dating sites and info on job openings in sex shops and stuff like that. I guess there's no such thing in shounen mags, though the article also mentions that there's already a rule not to sell particularly racy shounen comics to boys under 18.


Agree with mufurc’s opinion. There is a big difference between the pornographic or semi-erotic shonen magazines and the harmful guides to street prostitution found in shoujo magazines. I read the link in the article, which contains images of that “shoujo magazines”. For example, there is a two page “how to” guide explaining different fellatio techniques. What will and adolescent girl is supposed to do with that “information”? Are the people in this forum familiar with the concept of “enjo kosai” (compensated dating)? What’s next? A tabulator explaining them how much to charge for different prostitution services? (ex, fellation w/ condom, 10000 yen, without, 20000 yen).

Shonen magazines offer masturbatory fantasies to boys. After “reading” the magazine they throw it in the trash can and continue their daily life. Sorry to say it, but double standards are valid, and needed (a good example to the rotten American society).
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 7:13 pm Reply with quote
eloyabun wrote:
mufurc wrote:
Well, the original Asahi Shinbun article mentions that many shoujo magazines contain ads for dating sites and info on job openings in sex shops and stuff like that. I guess there's no such thing in shounen mags, though the article also mentions that there's already a rule not to sell particularly racy shounen comics to boys under 18.


Agree with mufurc’s opinion. There is a big difference between the pornographic or semi-erotic shonen magazines and the harmful guides to street prostitution found in shoujo magazines. I read the link in the article, which contains images of that “shoujo magazines”. For example, there is a two page “how to” guide explaining different fellatio techniques. What will and adolescent girl is supposed to do with that “information”? Are the people in this forum familiar with the concept of “enjo kosai” (compensated dating)? What’s next? A tabulator explaining them how much to charge for different prostitution services? (ex, fellation w/ condom, 10000 yen, without, 20000 yen).

Shonen magazines offer masturbatory fantasies to boys. After “reading” the magazine they throw it in the trash can and continue their daily life. Sorry to say it, but double standards are valid, and needed (a good example to the rotten American society).


Reminds me of Cosmopolitan, which is sold at any age here in Canada. There isn't anything wrong with those magazines because they promote protection. Shôjo manga may have "sexual" content, but it isn't nearly as bad as Seinen hentai. It's soft core, and hardly even explicit. Shonen manga has violence and girls with huge boobs. Why not ban that for all the blood and death?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 7:17 pm Reply with quote
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Shonen magazines offer masturbatory fantasies to boys. After “reading” the magazine they throw it in the trash can and continue their daily life. Sorry to say it, but double standards are valid, and needed (a good example to the rotten American society)
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Oh, so only teenage boys are allowed masturbatory fantasies?! Newsflash, grandpa, this is the 21st century, not the 19th! Girls have just as much right to such fantasies. Granted, tips on street prostitution is going too far, but no erotic fantasy stories for teenage girls? How chauvinistic! Course, I don't think teenagers of either gender should be reading porn since they seem to have enough trouble learning how to deal with real sex, much less fantasy sex.

Also, did it ever occur to you that the "double standards'" might be the cause of this problem? After all, it seems that the reason for this kind of content in the girl comics is to entice men to read them.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:02 pm Reply with quote
rinmackie wrote:
eloyabun wrote:
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Shonen magazines offer masturbatory fantasies to boys. After “reading” the magazine they throw it in the trash can and continue their daily life. Sorry to say it, but double standards are valid, and needed (a good example to the rotten American society)
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Oh, so only teenage boys are allowed masturbatory fantasies?! Newsflash, grandpa, this is the 21st century, not the 19th! Girls have just as much right to such fantasies. Granted, tips on street prostitution is going too far, but no erotic fantasy stories for teenage girls? How chauvinistic! Course, I don't think teenagers of either gender should be reading porn since they seem to have enough trouble learning how to deal with real sex, much less fantasy sex.

Also, did it ever occur to you that the "double standards'" might be the cause of this problem? After all, it seems that the reason for this kind of content in the girl comics is to entice men to read them.

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I agree with the first paragraph, but the second I don't. They don't put in the "sexual content" to get guys to read it because it's the type of soft core women would enjoy. kinda like The Notebook and Titanic, etc. They put that scene in because they are in love. Japan is a conservative society where women aren't viewed as the same as in North America and in Europe. Doesn't mean here we should ban "sexual" shôjo manga. Seriously, the "scenes" aren't graphic!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 12:35 am Reply with quote
Why can't they just slap a few warning labels on everything questionable and just forget about it? I mean, let people buy what they want and give people who don't want to read it a chance to avoid it. Not everyone has the same exact standards but hey, if there's a label on something that says "may contain sexual content" then those who don't want to see any sexual content can avoid it.

The rest of us can decide if we think it's too graphic or not graphic enough. Besides, in my opinion, once you've given someone a fair chance to avoid self exposure, then it's their problem if they don't like what they read/watch/play. It's like with video games, if you don't want your kid playing a game where he/she kills police officers, don't get him/her GTA.

If you don't want your little girl reading a naughty shojo sex fantasy, don't buy it for her. (And if she buys it herself, then get angry at your kid, not the local manga provider.)

Personally, I think the real issue is the non-story related material like the sex guides and ads. If any of that is in material that's being sold to girls, or boys, who aren't legally supposed to be doing such things, then that's a problem. However, in that case it's not really the manga which is harmful but the extras included with it.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 12:48 pm Reply with quote
Richard J. wrote:
Why can't they just slap a few warning labels on everything questionable and just forget about it? I mean, let people buy what they want and give people who don't want to read it a chance to avoid it. Not everyone has the same exact standards but hey, if there's a label on something that says "may contain sexual content" then those who don't want to see any sexual content can avoid it.

The rest of us can decide if we think it's too graphic or not graphic enough. Besides, in my opinion, once you've given someone a fair chance to avoid self exposure, then it's their problem if they don't like what they read/watch/play. It's like with video games, if you don't want your kid playing a game where he/she kills police officers, don't get him/her GTA.

If you don't want your little girl reading a naughty shojo sex fantasy, don't buy it for her. (And if she buys it herself, then get angry at your kid, not the local manga provider.)


In Japan I don't think they have warning labels on manga unless if it's hentai. (I could be wrong) For shôjo manga like that, the girls would be buying it for themselves while the parents wouldn't know if it's hidden. I do agree that parents should get mad at the kid for buying that stuff rather than the manager because manga like that can be sold to teens. My friend bought yaoi manga when she was 15 (not the hardcore stuff) and she hid it in her room from her parents. The store couldn't do anything because it wasn't legally concidered pornographic. It's like Cosmopolitan, it can be sold to teenage girls even though there are tips on sex.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:48 pm Reply with quote
mistress_reebi wrote:

In Japan I don't think they have warning labels on manga unless if it's hentai. (I could be wrong) For shôjo manga like that, the girls would be buying it for themselves while the parents wouldn't know if it's hidden.


If the manga that I've seen in US-based Japanese bookstores is any indication, only the AV and Hentai VG magazines (not manga but mags) as well as some doujinshi get the label slapped on. At the local Book-Off, I've seen numerous examples of pretty raw hentai (including one entitled simply "Rape") that have no warning labels on them (to be fair, Book-Off does try to put all hentai either in shrink-wrap or in plastic sleeves, differentiating them from non-hentai titles. That being said, I kinda wish, for their own protection, that they WOULD segregate the hentai from other stuff, because some day, a blue-nose is gonna walk in., browse the racks and*...). The only ones that I ever saw with warning labels were, as I said, the "PC Angel" and other H-Game mags.

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I do agree that parents should get mad at the kid for buying that stuff rather than the manager because manga like that can be sold to teens.


I wouldn't get mad at the shopkeep either, if in good faith he/she didn't know the content of the manga either. I would get mad at the publisher for what (as it's been alleged on this board before) is a bad-faith effort to sucker young kids into hentai while keeping the covers immaculate (IIRC, nearly all manga are shrink-wrapped by the publisher to prevent people just reading and leaving without buying the book, preventing people from perusing for content.)

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My friend bought yaoi manga when she was 15 (not the hardcore stuff) and she hid it in her room from her parents. The store couldn't do anything because it wasn't legally concidered pornographic.


Around the same age, I bought a copy of "Heavy Metal." It's the same thing. I caught hell from my folks, but really, the store was in the clear, because you can't reasonably expect a store owner and even less a store counter clerk, dealing with thousands of titles to be able to recall each and every article or storyline in each of them and the content of each.

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It's like Cosmopolitan, it can be sold to teenage girls even though there are tips on sex.


Although, ironically, some supermarkets are putting up "boob shields" on their racks to make sure that our pure, untrammeled youth are not confronted with pictures of cleavage. Rolling Eyes

*Under California law, the way the stacks are organized at Book-Off are technically illegal (porno stuff is supposed to be placed in a seperate area of the store, out of the reach of children.)
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 3:43 pm Reply with quote
pat_payne wrote:
mistress_reebi wrote:

It's like Cosmopolitan, it can be sold to teenage girls even though there are tips on sex.


Although, ironically, some supermarkets are putting up "boob shields" on their racks to make sure that our pure, untrammeled youth are not confronted with pictures of cleavage. Rolling Eyes

*Under California law, the way the stacks are organized at Book-Off are technically illegal (porno stuff is supposed to be placed in a seperate area of the store, out of the reach of children.)


In Canad they just have the naked covers at the top with a plastic shield stating the name. Clevage, they don't care as long as they are wearing something.
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