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DKL
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Oh damn, this piece of awesome conversation made my week. |
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Zac
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I'm starting to believe that it's more about the fans wanting to feel like they're in control and their word is final because they know best than the anime being good or not. Once you give people a taste - like Gainax did with Gurren-Lagann - they'll go nuts and figure that they can boss everyone around. It's obnoxious. |
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DKL
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But... when you think about it... they still need money to come out with a show; if they lose viewer support, it's still pretty bad and will hinder any creativity that you might be able to come up with... In the end, I think it's really a juggling game between being creative... and pleasing people... Yeah, that's kinda cynnical... but what are you gonna do? It's pretty hard having to put up with everything, I imagine. That said, I'll wish this guy good luck; haven't been watching the show, but if he gets castrated by most of the fans (which, I'm assuming, makes up a decent fraction of the audience), he'll definately have a hard road ahead of him... |
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hikaru004
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I love what the current director is doing also. He has elevated it beyond "kill the pilot of the week" scenario and the order is different so the manga folks are guessing some. The pilots are dying so far. Most of the controversial stuff has been kept in except what I mentioned before for obvious reasons which really hasn't hurt the pilot's story any. It may have helped the recent pilot spoiler[Maki] which has sparked the current drama.
Besides, it's extremely likely from the manga that spoiler[at least 1-2 of those potential pilots are going to live anyway]. So more than 1 survival in the anime is not going to hurt the title imo. It kind of keeps you guessing as to who the lucky one is imo. 
It's the anime version of Russian roulette imo. Personally, I think that this drama is not worth it when you examine the anime rationally. |
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dormcat
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In my opinion, the last straw was not reactions from those so-called fans but because they attacked Toei's Yes! Precure intentionally. That was very un-athletic way of competition (not to mention that Toei is much larger and influential than Gainax), and if I were the producer of Yes! Precure I'd pressure Gainax (not in public, of course) to "show some sincerity" i.e. a resignation.
Which led me wonder why he accepted the job if he strongly dislikes the manga. I don't ask him to love it, but methinks a director of an adapted should at least not dislike the original.
That's exactly what the manga has hinted at the end of Chapter 19 (Volume 4). |
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hikaru004
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He's done a great job so far either way. I don't think that liking the source is going to improve his performance any from what I've seen.
Precure stomped that Gurren-Lagann into the ground.  But, it's Gainax's fault for not appealing to the demographics of the scheduled timeslot imo. 
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DKL
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Well, maybe he found the subject matter or the concept interesting? ... Or somebody, like a friend or something that was a producer or whatever, asked or suggested him since they thought that he would be the best choice. Who knows? ... I certainly don't... |
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Senna
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Personally, I'm very interested to see what course Morita will take on Bokurano. At first I was annoyed by the changes already made to the anime from the manga, but whenever an anime sticks close to the manga only to diverge at the very end because the manga's still going (as Bokurano is), I generally hate it because it doesn't fit or feels unfinished. Some different material from early on may make the rest of the story flow more smoothly into whatever end has been determined, and new material does after all keep the show interesting to those already familiar with the source material. I'll be disappointed if Komo's arc is changed since it was my favorite, but hey, the manga's not going away, so it's not like I don't have that story anymore. There will just be a different one in addition.
As for those annoyed because some of the characters may not die, well ... besides the previous spoilers that spoiler[Kana isn't part of the contract as well as one other], according to chapter 43 (which is the latest chapter if I don't miss my guess) spoiler[Jun Ushiro is not a part of the contract and therefore will not die (at least, not of piloting Zearth).] Of course, this may not mean much considering the themes of the story, but still. Whatever Kitoh does with the ending of the manga and whatever Morita does with the anime, I think there'll be two interesting stories to look forward to rather than one, which isn't a bad prospect at all. |
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HitokiriShadow
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Oh joy, I click "Submit" and suddenly the website is asking for my username and password.
 Bye bye post.
I don't expect or want directors to pander to fans, but that doesn't mean they can't be criticized for their decisions, especially considering some of the other things he said like the fact that he dislikes the source material. Having not read the original manga myself (yet), I have nothing to compare the show to and I'm actually curious to see if he'll do alright. I'm just wary because I have little faith in Gonzo's ability to adapt manga series that haven't finish yet. The director's dislike of the manga and my interpretation of his 'save the children' comments didn't exactly instill confidence in me. However, I'm going to go ahead and watch the rest of the series (which I had initially dropped before this ever came up) and see if it turns out okay. |
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ConanSan
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Eh...Story wise, I'm of the opinion of "If they don't screw off majourly then it's good" for example: Genshiken did a few things in a diffrent order (also toned down a few things too if memory serves) and Keroro Gunsou had a few alterations as they introduced Dororo earlyer than in the manga.
Gonzo, however, have a habbit of going a bit too far in that regard unless they have another studio (Aic for example) to keep them in check (Seto No Hanayome and Solty Rei come to mind for example).
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dormcat
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If I remember correctly, Yes! Precure is much more popular than Gurren-Lagann in Japan. The former's target audience are young girls and their parents. They don't write blogs or post on fora, but as a whole they do possess significant buying power, more so than fans of an otaku-ish super robot show that doesn't have many cute girls in it. Do you think high school / college-aged fans of Gurren-Lagann would buy its stationery and use them daily? Precure (all versions) fans definitely would do so for their favorite show, and when they do, they don't get laughed at. |
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ConanSan
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And this is why Toei is alowed to get away with a whole load of stupid stuff. |
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TheHTRO
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I didn't have time to read the other posts, so I'll just add my two cents.
While I disapprove of any adaptation (anime or otherwise) deviating (too much) from the source material (manga or otherwise), I understand where this Morita character is coming from. I would imagine that frequent deaths of elementary school-age characters wouldn't even sit well with Japanese readers, much less American (I'll say it: it doesn't sit well with me, either). So in this case, changing the story so that they would be saved isn't all that bad. To me, it seems that the ones who disapprove of what the anime is doing must be fans of the "kill 'em all" variety of stories in manga and anime, no matter how old the victims are (you know who you all are)... |
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hikaru004
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Nope. Precure has stomped on G-L every week that it aired. Hence, the antagonism displayed by Gainax. They didn't appeal to the target audience and was doing mature and otaku stuff, despite the Konami attempt to appeal to the target audience thru the online gaming and card game. From the website that I can't link to because of content, here are the ratings for the Kantou region 6/4-6/10
*bolded by me*
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Pepperidge
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More like anti-otaku stuff. That audience would probably rather watch generic magical girls than an artistically-inspired mecha pastiche, it seems. And while it would appeal more to kids than, say, Eureka seveN did in its timeslot, it still obviously doesn't work quite as well on Sunday mornings. So it's losing grounds on both fronts, really. |
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