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Julia-the-Great



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 5:23 pm Reply with quote
Kimyo wrote:
I don't remember being all that upset when any of my fave anime have ended, but I dread the time when I'm done watching all of Kyo Kara Maoh Sad

My two cents for the day, but Kyo Kara Maou! had one of THE best end episodes I've ever seen. I was smiling for three days afterwards. Smile

OK, I be quiet now.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 5:39 pm Reply with quote
fighterholic wrote:

Edit: tempest, were you by chance in the Westin Hotel lobby last Saturday?


Many times, we were staying at the Westin.

Not that I'll ever stay at that hotel again though...

-t
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 6:12 pm Reply with quote
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ikillchicken wrote:
Xyex wrote:
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Theres a big big difference between extreme violence and guro. Though its kinda concerning, most people find violence cool. Idunno if thats a good thing but Its fairly common. Whats not common is the combination of violence and sex. I wouldnt say anyone who is into guro is a "future serial killer". For starters, Future Rapist would be more approprite. But more importantly, just because you like guro, it doesnt mean you will turn into a killer/rapist. However I have no problem making the blanket statement: If you get off to guro there is definitely something wrong with you and you probably should get some therapy.


But not all guro is violent. Or even extreme. Sure, you've got beheadings and crap, but you've also got pieces that the average person would call beautiful and peaceful, if not for the slit wrists or ligature marks on the neck. And not all Guro involves rape, pain, or death either. It's a much bigger, much broader genre than people seem to realize.


Well, I'll admid I've never read any guro. To be truthful I hadent even heard of it until today. You probably know more about it than me. But by its definition it would seem that unless it contains that kinda stuff it isnt guro. Are you saying that this definition is innacurate?


See, but Guro's a hard thing to define. The only true and applicable definition is 'anything grotesque is guro' but what, exactly, do you define as 'groteque'? What one person finds as qrotesque another may not. Yes, you've got the extreme blood-and-deaht end with dismembered corpses, but the gentle 'romantic' death scenes also count. Scat is also considered by many to fall under the mantle of guro. And then you have things that are just bizarre (such as the previously mentioned works of H.R. Giger.

Limiting it as you do would be the same as saying that, to bring in another part of this weeks article, all Sci-fi shows are about Giant Robots. Wink


I dont see how thats the only applicable definition. True it isnt an absolutely set definition. However If you wanted to pick a definition, I think the best one would be: "artwork that depicts extreme/bizarre violence (mutilation, dismemberment, scatology, etc.) in an erotic manner." If you want to define it as anything that is grotesque, firstly, I dont know why you would do that. It seems if youre gonna expand it to that then theres no point in having a term. You could simply call it grotesque. Its only useful to have a term if its something somewhat specific, such as the combination of grotesque and erotic. Secondly, If you want to define it that way, thats up to you. However dont expect others to. From the wiki article, it seems that really isnt the commonly accepted definition. Therefore dont go off when someone makes statements like mine based on the more common definition, just because you define it differently.

BTW. I dont see how what im doing is like saying all Sci-fi shows are Mecha. If anything its your definition that does that in that it says everything from a larger group such as sci-fi or grotesque falls under a much more specific catergory like Guro or Mecha.
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mistress_reebi



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 6:50 pm Reply with quote
tempest wrote:
fighterholic wrote:

Edit: tempest, were you by chance in the Westin Hotel lobby last Saturday?


Many times, we were staying at the Westin.

Not that I'll ever stay at that hotel again though...

-t


lol, looks like you have a stalker (I kid)

anyways, doesn't anyone know that one website that lists most of the conventions, including international ones?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 6:54 pm Reply with quote
HitokiriShadow wrote:

There is (and has been) plenty of scanlations/fansubs, fanfics, and fanart for yuri.

I can't really agree with that claim. I went alphabetically through a database of scanlations a year ago and I was surprised at how many titles were marked yaoi. Meanwhile a yuri title was like finding a needle in a haystack. That tied in with something I had previously read about the history of manga and doujin subgenres. Companies producing yuri for lesbians have a bad tendency to go bankrupt. Just not much of a market for it in Japan.

Yuri for males wasn't even on the agenda until Maria-sama ga Miteru turned into a surprise success. Even then it took a bit of time before other producers hooked on and created last year's yuri miniboom (emphasis on mini). But the field seems to have moved back to the more familiar ground of male cross dressers so I'm not sure if Yuri for the male otaku was a failure or if it's simply a case of producers pausing for breath and new scripts.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 7:34 pm Reply with quote
tempest wrote:
Many times, we were staying at the Westin.

Not that I'll ever stay at that hotel again though...

-t

Thought it was you. I was going to say hi but I was with my friends going somewhere. Speaking of the Westin, my friend got thrown out of there one night when he was all drunk. Surprised he didn't make too much of a scene in there. How was the Westin Staff?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 8:46 pm Reply with quote
Gauss wrote:
HitokiriShadow wrote:

There is (and has been) plenty of scanlations/fansubs, fanfics, and fanart for yuri.


Yuri for males wasn't even on the agenda until Maria-sama ga Miteru turned into a surprise success. Even then it took a bit of time before other producers hooked on and created last year's yuri miniboom (emphasis on mini). But the field seems to have moved back to the more familiar ground of male cross dressers so I'm not sure if Yuri for the male otaku was a failure or if it's simply a case of producers pausing for breath and new scripts.


That'll be a disturbing turn of events; yuri leading to more cross-dressing male related shows. For some odd reason, that doesn't seem to surprise me. Aren't most Japanese male otakus want to "be part of the action" in ogling relationships with female characters?
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jvowles
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 9:57 pm Reply with quote
Gee, Zac, I saw you at least twice at AX before my horrible nasty ear infection took me out of the game. (Though to be fair, I think one of those times was as we were being escorted en masse out of the Ultra Lounge.)

All you had to do was ask! Smile

WHY OTAKON IS LATE THIS YEAR:

It was the best date we could get this summer.

We prefer to go the first weekend in August or the last weekend in July.

However, just like the Shriners snagged the July 4th weekend from AX, several religious groups snagged our preferred dates for 2007.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 10:37 pm Reply with quote
I edited Zac's kitty and ducky image to make it funnier and wanted to post it (I hope it's alright).
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Rob P



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 10:45 pm Reply with quote
CCSYueh wrote:
The first thing that sprang to mind at the description of that ero stuff was snuff films & extreme fetishes like the tales one hear from time to time of people who actually manage to kill themselves because they like to have sex while being strangeled or with a gun to their heads, etc. Yes, there's a market. Is it big enough to justify licensing?


Actually the first thing that sprang to my mind was the rape of Nanking. I guess you could best describe the historical photo archive as "real life ero guro".

If you want to see the inspiration for ero guro, just go to any website on the Rape of Nanking and you should see the connection. It is unreal.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 10:52 pm Reply with quote
To those midwesterners who are looking to go to an Anime convention:

AnimeIowa is a great little con, and the organizers put in a lot of effort in making it a BIG little convention. When I went a couple years ago I had a blast, so if you don't want to make a long trip, try this convention. You can check out their stuff at www.animeiowa.com and the convention is in August, so you haven't yet missed out on the fun! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 11:11 pm Reply with quote
Elves wrote:
To those midwesterners who are looking to go to an Anime convention:

AnimeIowa is a great little con, and the organizers put in a lot of effort in making it a BIG little convention. When I went a couple years ago I had a blast, so if you don't want to make a long trip, try this convention. You can check out their stuff at www.animeiowa.com and the convention is in August, so you haven't yet missed out on the fun! Very Happy


Hey thanks for the plug, yes meet Zalis and myself at AnimeIowa! Anime smile
To stay on topic: For new congoers AnimeIowa (and AnimeDetour as well - which I go to every year) has a very relaxed and family- friendly atmosphere and preregistration has been extended to July 14 because of website issues.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 12:45 am Reply with quote
mistress_reebi wrote:
anyways, doesn't anyone know that one website that lists most of the conventions, including international ones?


http://www.anime-cons.com
Lists most of the major ones AFAIK

http://www.fansview.com/consked.htm
also has a pretty comprehensive schedule
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Richard J.



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 3:29 am Reply with quote
I'm sticking to the safest topics this time. Too many controversies a part of have I been.

First, I love that kitten. That kitten is one of the best ever shown here. So cute! Reminds me a little of a cat I once had.

Second, the flakes just keep on getting worse. Why do people automatically think earning money is somehow bad? What are they teaching in the schools nowadays? (Wait, never mind, I've been there. They ain't teaching logical thinking, economics, or how to treat others with respect.)

What's so absurdly funny, is every one of those sorts of flakes wishes they were Zac. They're too dumb to realize what a headache the job really is.

Third, Post Anime Depression is pretty normal I'd say. As Neverwhere said back when this thread was young:
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I hardly think feeling upset about losing characters and stories you love is unique to anime fans, nor should you be worried about it. Don't we all get upset when something happens to a character we adore in our favourite books and films? It's human nature to empathize and identify with fictional creations, and only natural to feel a loss something you've been involved with emotionally is over.

On a related note, I too felt a twinge of sadness when Angel and more recently Veronica Mars were cancelled. Both were great shows in my opinion and it's sad that they were cast aside in favor of lesser crap. The cancellation of good shows is one reason why I've all but stopped watching live-action. Anime tends to have a less unfinished feel when it ends without resolving everything. Take Spiral for instance. The end leaves almost all of the plot lines unresolved, but there's a feeling that it will all work out. Live action that gets cancelled often end with cliff hangers and no sense of closure whatsoever.

Totally off-topic, but if you ever get a chance to go to a convention with Julie Benz, Angel's Darla, she's one of the sweetest ladies you'll meet. I went to a convention and despite the fact I was practically fainting at her feet (I'm not kidding, I was that excited to meet her) she couldn't have been nicer. Even got a picture taken with her. She put her arm around my shoulders! Anime hyper
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:06 am Reply with quote
darkchibi07 wrote:
That'll be a disturbing turn of events; yuri leading to more cross-dressing male related shows. For some odd reason, that doesn't seem to surprise me. Aren't most Japanese male otakus want to "be part of the action" in ogling relationships with female characters?

I've been thinking somewhat along the same lines, of males not easily identifying themselves with female heroines in Yuri stories. You can have lesbian side characters, or a hint of it between main characters (or all-out in hentai) but it's more difficult for romantic Yuri stories with female leads. Even in Kashimashi there had to be a gender change. The cross dressing stories have better appeal because of the added wish fulfillment factor. Put a dress on a guy and suddenly he's really popular with the girls.
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