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NEWS: Two in Thai Maid Cafe Arrested, "Obscene" Manga Seized


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killugon



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 9:02 am Reply with quote
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Can't comment, for I'm not so sure what you wanted to say... was this "rating" the age rating for manga or the click/view ratings of Thailand Reports? Is it a news agency or a government statistics?


Rating of Thailand Reports

like... this chanal ve news faster then other
they ll present only bad point and some lie to the plubic



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Are there other maid cafe in Thailand, or you meant similar incidents had happened in other places with manga e.g. libraries, rentals, or cybercafe, etc.? If it's the latter then I can tell you similar things happen all the time.


its happen when one of tv show called "หลุมดำ" (mean black hole in english)
present about bad side (lie) of catoon

the plublic see all of manga is obsence and not for kids ( do u know? they senser shisuka from doraemon cause they see her take a barth in barth room )

after that thing happen my friend told me his mom has burn all of his death note manga ( yes death note ,im not type it wrong )

not my friend only , all of anime lover got this kind of problem too

the public see cosplay group is obsence (Ripley belive or not lol)

some police acquire a lot of manga ( negima kyo berserk MAR etc..)

our Anime lover group know that if v fight,v ll lose
cause this country already completly trust that idiot report , nothing to change it from that time

v choose do nothing about this and stay quiet v think everything ll back to the nomal soon

finally that time has past every thing almost back to nomal until police arrest Akiba

Akiba say this times v ll fight not for only Akiba but for all of Anime lover in Thailand
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LoOpiNg



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 3:24 pm Reply with quote
Being called "master" is a trademark of maid cafés.
Just because you're ignorant of that fact doesn't give you the right to insult people. It just makes you look stupid.
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CCSYueh



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 3:52 pm Reply with quote
If this were in the US, I'd be inclined to lean toward greedy owner closing an eye to make a profit (like the shops that get busted selling ciggies to minors), but after killugon's comments, it just makes it sound so rough for anime & manga fans there. It's Judas Priest's comment about their hassles in the 80's "People who know nothing about Judas Priest are telling people who'll never listen to them Judas Priest worship the devil." Add in corruption/protection/whatnot, the shop probably was lucky to last as long as it did. It's too easy for parents to overreact to hysterical lies told them by preachers/gov. authorities, etc. than actually look at the product & decide for themselves just as it's easier to say music or other entertainment led one's child astray when the kid gets in trouble.
But with the rep for child prostitution, etc, the place has, it's also the type of thing that, at a casual glance is easy to dismiss as normal (minors allowed to see inappropriate material) so it is nice to see killugon give the other side.

Thank you.

Wasn't there issues over Deathnote somewhere else? China or Singapore? That dealt with the cursing issue (that writing a name in a book could kill) so the friend may actually have lost his collection to that superstition
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Zim Zum



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:02 pm Reply with quote
Why are people getting on Stevetheeunuchs back?? He said he finds the fact that "people" that is a general statement and not a direct attack on Dormcat, or anyone else who has posted in here. He's just saying that he disagrees with the idea of maid cafes, is that such a bad thing? Everyone has a right to their own opinion, I'd say the people that are calling him out on it are the ones who are ignorant.

Anyway getting away from the puerile attacks and back on the actual topic, I think the whole situation kinda stinks, judging by killugon's comments it seems like some retro attitude from the days when Korea used to ban all Japanese imports, back then the easiest way to piss off your parents was to becomes an anime or manga fan.
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Samurai-with-glasses



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:24 pm Reply with quote
Zim Zum wrote:
Why are people getting on Stevetheeunuchs back?? He said he finds the fact that "people" that is a general statement and not a direct attack on Dormcat, or anyone else who has posted in here. He's just saying that he disagrees with the idea of maid cafes, is that such a bad thing? Everyone has a right to their own opinion, I'd say the people that are calling him out on it are the ones who are ignorant.
No, he calls them disgusting. It was an attack.

I'm skeptical of everything that comes out of the Thai government. 'Tis a corrupted country. It's just like them to make a big ruckus out of nothing to occupy public outcry as they siphon off yet another billion baht to fill their own offshore bank accounts. And ignoring the real crimes. I suspect that anime, being not exactly the most profitable of businesses, just don't have the money to pay for protection like the brothels do -- and yes brothels are illegal (mostly? It's been long since I was there) in Thailand, despite reality.

It's really sad, on one side we have this conservative -- even reactionary -- public face of monks and concerned officials and soccer moms worrying about All That's Gone Wrong With Our Youth's Morality (tm) and on the other side the depravity of the darker side is all theirs to blame. God I'm glad I'm out of that place. America is so much better.

Siam Square is something like the trendy teenage hangout place for Bangkok teenagers, so yeah. It's not exactly a red light district. Teenage sex, may be; but a mafia-run human trafficking operation that place is not.
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hagakure|returns



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:07 pm Reply with quote
Maid cafe are for loser that can't get dates. Which probably makes up 90% of the male otaku in Japan.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:23 pm Reply with quote
hagakure|returns wrote:
Maid cafe are for loser that can't get dates. Which probably makes up 90% of the male otaku in Japan.


What a nice uninformed and ignorant comment. Please share more of your wit with with us. Rolling Eyes You obviously don't have any experience going to one or even real information on them. You're wonderful comment about male otaku in Japan is even more ignorant and completely wrong. And just so you know maid cafe's are not a Japanese exclusive thing. I mean the article here alone said two in THAI maid cafe. You do realize Thailand is a separate country then Japan right?
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_Earthwyrm_





PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:39 pm Reply with quote
psycho 101 wrote:
You do realize Thailand is a separate country then Japan right?

They are?
Well Snap, I guess that's why everyone there was giving me funny looks when I told them "Watashi japan no manga kudasai desu desu desu". Wink
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Ergzay



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:48 pm Reply with quote
hagakure|returns wrote:
Maid cafe are for loser that can't get dates. Which probably makes up 90% of the male otaku in Japan.


And to add to the previous poster's comment. There are maid cafe here in the USA... Many anime conventions often host temporary ones themselves even. I'm no crazy otaku (yes I buy some anime dvds and yes I download lots of fansubs), but I have plenty of friends (and lead my school's anime club) so which by defintion doesn't make me an otaku, yet I would love to visit a maid cafe, just for the sake of it.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:48 pm Reply with quote
Thailand concerned about exposing minors to obscenities??? Anime dazed Neutral


Seriously though this is kind of, well, sad I guess. While I don't think I would ever go to one, I always thought it would be neat to have one in my town, so any news of one sutting down, even all the way over there, is sad. And you never know if this is the moment the pendulum starts to swing back.
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CCSYueh



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:57 pm Reply with quote
If one is looking at it a certain way, yeah, it can sound nasty, but realistically doesn't every country have something like them? Not specifically maid cafe, but don't people go to spas to be pampered & feel special?
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nuaythebest



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 10:09 pm Reply with quote
Well , I live in Thailand and I can tell you what is really the truth. This news show you only one side, Akiba is just a scapegoat. In adult eyes , Cartoon and games in Thailand are just only for KID. They think of Cosplay , anime , manga and games as a evil thing. I am not surprise when I saw this news coz I knew it would happen someday. People here couldn't accept the true that world is changed. They don't want a Casino ( while many Thais spent more than 1000$ million a year in Cambodian Casino) , they think manga is too pervert and shouldn't have been sold here(while they let FHM and other adult magazine sold).

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Police investigated the shop in July due to complaints that minors were frequenting the cafe and viewing manga with adult content.


One thing you should know those manga have been check by goverment rating officer before they were sold in bookstore.

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In the wake of the arrests, the number of customers visiting the shop declined sharply, causing the shop to go out of business permanently.



Well , the truth is Akiba was not allow to stay because Chulalongkorn University doesn't allow them. Siam Square was owned by Chulalongkorn University (just like MIT square) and they don't want to hear people blame that University allow (adult content?) manga sold in their own area.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 10:51 pm Reply with quote
CCSYueh wrote:
If one is looking at it a certain way, yeah, it can sound nasty, but realistically doesn't every country have something like them? Not specifically maid cafe, but don't people go to spas to be pampered & feel special?


Spas, resorts, fetish clubs, massage parlors, hot springs etc. Like you said almost every country has some sort, or many, of place to go where you're pampered and made to feel special. While the methods used may vary the theme is basically the same. Plus honestly from what I've read and heard despite the innuendos of a maid cafe they're actually less......sexual oriented shall we say....as something like a massage parlor or fetish club. I mean there's no real contact at a maid cafe so I don't see them as nasty or derogatory really.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:10 pm Reply with quote
psycho 101 wrote:
I mean there's no real contact at a maid cafe so I don't see them as nasty or derogatory really.


You can't see how someone with progressive attitudes toward women's liberation would find the concept of a maid cafe just a little bit offensive or upsetting? Not at all?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:34 pm Reply with quote
Zac wrote:
psycho 101 wrote:
I mean there's no real contact at a maid cafe so I don't see them as nasty or derogatory really.


You can't see how someone with progressive attitudes toward women's liberation would find the concept of a maid cafe just a little bit offensive or upsetting? Not at all?


Sure I can Zac. I just see, as you put it, a little offensive or upsetting as a bit different then actually full blown nasty and derogatory. Maybe I'm being too nitpicky but I see that as a difference. I can certainly understand how some, woman and men, could see them as being offensive or upsetting. I don't have a problem with that. I simply happen to feel compared to other sorts of establishment, where being pampered or served if you will is the goal, it's not as offensive. I don't mean to sound like there's nothing wrong with them at all, so I'm sorry if it came off that way. It's just on a list of establishments whose goal is to serve you I don't see maid cafe's as being nearly as bad as some others out there.
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