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TheAncientOne
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Crunchyroll also has the first season of Code Geass: http://www.crunchyroll.com/code-geass-lelouch-of-the-rebellion On that topic, it is rather disappointing that no one legally streams R2. |
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ikillchicken
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DifferentD
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Yeah again.. it says these were repeat offenders who even after having videos removed and getting warnings continued to upload videos. Come on.. they had to know it was wrong and that they could get in trouble. Despite what anyone may think we are not all entitled to free anime/manga etc.
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enurtsol
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Because that would be harder to do. They went thru Youtube first because it's the easier of the options. Path of least resistance: Youtube would actually work with them to do something about it. Like exams, do the easier questions first, the harder ones later. Also:
It seems, they only went thru the courts because Youtube requires it to continue barring the specific videos off the site. Without the legal documents to back up the claims, Youtube cannot just take the word of the complainants, especially if the defendants file counterclaims, which seems to be the case here. So it makes sense to require legal documents. It doesn't seem like they're suing for money beyond court costs and nominal penalty; they just want to have the legal documents to back up their claims. |
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UltimaShadowfax
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The main reason I don't use CR is in bold. Despite the irony, I have no problem with CR suing over anime on YouTube. But I don't blame anyone for looking for alternatives to CR ... yes, even if it's watching on YouTube. CR is crap. |
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Charred Knight
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For the most part they do the problem is that more often than not American pirates refuse to get off their "Free downloads with 1080p video" demand. Anime is extremely cheap with the S.A.V.E line in particular being the best example. A lot of Americans are fine with leeching off the Japanese. I remember one guy simply stating that he sees no reason to buy SRW games since he will simply pirate the english translation games. Someone then pointed out that the fan translated games are all from 10 years or older. |
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Sunday Silence
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You also have to note, the animosity towards the IP holders has been seething for nearly 2 decades plus now. Pretty much at this point, only a miracle can shake up the problem into being solveable. |
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PetrifiedJello
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It shouldn't be. Trying to engage any discussion with people so hell bent on pounding the anti-piracy drum is a wasted effort. Just look at the insult you did with Robert's post by taking a quip on hypocrisy and twisting into an anti-piracy tirade. No one who can engage is going to want to receive the same treatment for their efforts to discuss. |
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GWOtaku
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All the angry anti-lawsuit posts in the thread, and you want to complain about a very short and not-angry (but disappointed) dissenting post. You mistake a sharp challenge for an insult. The failure I spoke of happens to predate both the RACS post and mine, by the way. Look: the entire point of complaining about the hypocrisy angle is to delegitimize the lawsuit and to suggest that Crunchyroll has no business asserting their rights or the rights of anyone else. Now there's a point of view that says an action like this is always a waste of time and effort, and that's debatable, but that sentiment is & was something else. And yes, I do think it is narrow and convenient to only focus on Crunchyroll and repeat very familiar protests while not paying even slight attention to the clear interests and rights of copyright holders such as TV Tokyo. Meanwhile, Crunchyroll's assertions about this situation and the accounts they are going after still remain unchallenged. |
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Teriyaki Terrier
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So it' was perfectly okay when Crunchyroll uploaded anime illegally, but when all of the sudden, someone else does it, it's not.
Ironic isn't it? |
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PetrifiedJello
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Yet not a single one of these took a statement on the hypocrisy, related it specifically to a retailer (who provided no position on the matter) and connected it to the debate. Twisting should be applied to pretzels, not words.
The failure I'm addressing didn't occur until your post.
Only by inference. Without the lawsuit, there is no hypocrisy. No one's really said much against the lawsuit itself (your point), but the company's position for doing it. This was completely expected the second I saw the article title. It would be a fool who did not see this manner of discussion coming.
This is because the "interests" are the debatable element of a discussion and causes nothing but back-and-forth diatribe where either side is unmoving. Those interests, by the way, allow this company to attack other businesses when it comes to streaming anime. The elephant in the room has nothing to do with rights, but this is my opinion. Just as the hypocrisy has no relation to the option being pursued of the rights holders. |
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zensunni
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The most important sentence in the article comes from the Crunchyroll statement:
In other words, the only reason Crunchyroll filed a lawsuit is that YouTube requires that before they will enforce their own TOS and prevent these repeat offenders from continuing to upload anime illegally. That is why they filed this suit and are not going after the download and streaming sites that make money off of ad revenue. This suit is not intended to go to court, it is only a tool to make YouTube do what they should be doing already. |
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dan888
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This seems to be required because of the DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act)
Most know about the take down provision of the DMCA, if you send out a DMCA notice on content you own, the host is required to take down the content. However this is not the end of it. Because this is ripe for abuse, the recipient of the DMCA is allowed to make a counter notice if they feel that the DMCA was in error. This is required because there have been many cases of people taking down content that they don't own, but rather don't like. However, if you make a counter notice, there is a 10 business day period where they need to keep the content offline, and the party who sent the DMCA can take legal action to keep it down. In this case, it seems like these uploaders claimed that they own the content when it was taken down with the TVTokyo DMCA request. Youtube, in complying with the DMCA by keeping it offline during the period for the individuals to respond, however they do have to bring the content back online because these uploaders claimed they own it. Therefore, as required to keep it down, Crunchyroll/TV Tokyo filed a lawsuit to keep it down. This provision of the law is needed to avoid abuse (I shouldn't have to power to take down something I don't like), but because of this provision a legal notice is needed regardless of if they want to or not, if this is indeed the the reason why they are doing it. |
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GWOtaku
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Sounds like an excellent and reasonable point to me. I hope it's well taken.
The problem is that this is totally inadequate. TV Tokyo's position is just as relevant if not more so, and it remains so regardless of the stubbornness of the controversy that you're frustrated about. That is not an excuse. It'd be one thing if TV Tokyo could pursue this without Crunchyroll, but if that's possible the case for it hasn't been made just yet. And the burden on critics that aren't just venting, it seems to me, is to make a reasonable case for what alternative and/or better actions are (which can be done). It's easy to point and mock or criticize. That said, I do see where you're coming from now about that post. I don't think he's pro-piracy and no one should. I do think that if someone in this industry wants to critique it, they should have something useful to say. If he does in some other blog post, then fantastic.
Simply claiming that you've grown more than your competition does not constitute an "attack" any more than a commercial ad claiming that a product or service is superior to the competition. But I respond to this because it highlights the problem here again; comments are made about the position of TV Tokyo and license holders in Japan and part of the response is this complaint about a Crunchyroll press release. Why?! |
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Mohawk52
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It's a bit late, or a bit too early for an April fools' joke, isn't it?
The bloody cheek! |
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