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Hey, Answerman! [2007-08-10]


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Hon'ya-chan



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 4:40 am Reply with quote
SharinganEye wrote:
Are we talking obnoxious readers? As in 12 year old spazz kids wearing short shorts lying in front of the manga section at Barnes & Noble as if it were their home and snickering loudly while damaging merchandise and tearing open shrink wraps all the while having an employee stare them down from the counter?

I could definitely elaborate.


Yep. But I already deleted it. But if Answerman wants a "eulogy" for the rant column....I can knock one up in a day.
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larinon



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 4:48 am Reply with quote
ikillchicken wrote:
Im saying that in my oppinon, alot of them arent any good. I don't see a point in awnsering a question which is basically just pointing out the obvious reasons their question is dumb.

If you received the same questions and comments over and over again, except with progressively worse spelling and grammar, don't you think it would feel somewhat cathartic to publicly vilify these emails? Theoretically it would even discourage them, though this latest one was a doozy.

Akukaze wrote:
if you want less snark, read AnimeNation's Ask John. I don't think I've ever read a more equivocating, respectful column in my life

I definitely agree with what you are saying. He is less confrontational and tries to be neutral, but then you can also tell from time to time he gets tired of many of the same emails that Answerman surely gets. ("When is more of X coming out?" "Why isn't Y licensed, and will it ever be?") Still, I think both columns are part of a well-rounded anime commentary diet.
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Toshirodragon



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:13 am Reply with quote
KITENS!!! *copious amounts of squealing and oohh and ahh and stupid baby talk*

There's a column there to be read? *goes back to check* Laughing

Actually I like the Flake of the Week! You can't BUY that kind of humour.

I'm glad to see the rant section gone, most of them were no-brainers and lately it seemed to have become a long string of whines about whatever wasn't working in their little world.

umm stop downloading fansubs? But then what would I do with all the extra space on my hard drive? Razz
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Ramadahl



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:19 am Reply with quote
ikillchicken wrote:
Ah yes! Its those damn fansubs again! Now theyre killing Anime clubs. It couldnt just be that Anime is available easilly through legal means too though, no ofcourse not.

Um, while I don't think anyone can say for sure the effect of fansubs on DVD sales etc., I think they are responsible for decreasing the size of anime clubs - I've been in a few, and the vast majority who've left have said they'll just dl stuff and watch it at home. Only the ones who are interested in the social side of things (or can't/won't dl stuff) have stayed.

ikillchicken wrote:
Im saying that in my oppinon, alot of them arent any good. I don't see a point in awnsering a question which is basically just pointing out the obvious reasons their question is dumb.

I've long held that Zac has been driven slightly insane by anime fans in general and feels the need to vent from time to time. Whoooo-saaaaa~
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Akukaze



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:38 am Reply with quote
larinon wrote:
Akukaze wrote:
if you want less snark, read AnimeNation's Ask John. I don't think I've ever read a more equivocating, respectful column in my life

I definitely agree with what you are saying. He is less confrontational and tries to be neutral, but then you can also tell from time to time he gets tired of many of the same emails that Answerman surely gets. ("When is more of X coming out?" "Why isn't Y licensed, and will it ever be?") Still, I think both columns are part of a well-rounded anime commentary diet.

And now I definitely agree with you, haha. Zac is more entertaining, but I think John knows more (by merit of being more closely connected to "the industry" and having seen more anime) so it balances out nicely.
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ikillchicken



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:49 am Reply with quote
Richard J:

You raise a good point. Maybe it is that theres really nothing better for Zac to awnser. I would sorta like though if he did have to settle for something a bit stupid, if he didn't have to act like it was so obviously a stupid question.

As for the Flake, well yeah. I wouldnt say I find it funny. It would be more accurate to say that the amounts of stupidity in the Flake are causing me to slowly develop a brain anurism of which I will ultimately die. Because every time I read it, I must come to the realization that my god, this person is serious. A human being whom I assume to be of sound mental health is actually this stupid and as much as I want to believe that this is just one inexplicable idiot who is the exception to the rest of us who are relatively intelligent people, every week Zac has no trouble in finding another equally if not stupider Flake. Its not he's scouring the globe for these people, simply from the comments sent into his column in the space of a week he can produce these people, thus shattering my already fragile faith in the Anime fanbase and even in Humanity itself. Oww... My Brain.
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Hon'ya-chan



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:07 am Reply with quote
Toshirodragon wrote:

umm stop downloading fansubs? But then what would I do with all the extra space on my hard drive? Razz


The traditional Internet tradition...Downloading Porn.
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Ichigo77



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:08 am Reply with quote
ichiro3923 wrote:


I would never rewatch any shonen jump shows from the begining to end; that would have to include rewatching 200+ episodes which also includes filler.

But I will watch select story arcs of Naruto, like the Zabuza Arc or the Tsunade Arc


I usually do that too since I don't either have all the DVD's to the shonen series or they are not all out yet. One time I did watch Dragon Ball GT from start to finish even after I finished the whole series. If all had all the DVD's though and wanted to rewatch I would probably watch it in order. Even though I know the story I like to watch things in order, but if I fill like a certain arc I would just watch that. Also there are some shonen series I want to rewatch in order because the first time I saw them they were out of order. Take Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, and Dragon Ball GT. All came out in a weird order so I would love to rewatch them from DB episode 1 to DBGT episode 64.
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Steroid



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:20 am Reply with quote
Hoorray for the return of good old opinionated Answerman. I think.

OK, I'll stop watching fansubs, if, and only if, I can has cheezburger.

Being serious now, I disagree with the "happy is crappy" view of the opening answer. There is one, solitary good use for endings where good people suffer and bad people don't. That is to provide contrast and surprise for the proper endings, where justice is done. If you know your ending is going to be tragic (or inconclusive), build your characters and plotlines so that the audience doesn't fall in love with them and want to see a happy ending.

So I had no problem with Inuyasha's ending because Inuyasha/Kagome wasn't exactly Romeo and Juliet (or Ralph/Josephine to be more accurate). But in the more important, epic anime, I think it's best for the endings to be happy. It's not just about pleasing the fans; it's about being dramatically correct. Roujin mentioned Harry Potter. That's a fine example of a storyline that desparately needed a happy ending.

On re-watchability, an uncle of mine who studies film hypothesized that one of the major goals of movie-makers in the age of DVDs and cable should be to make a film people can watch over and over. But that's not easy. It means eschewing complex plotlines, since the movie has to be able to be joined in midstream or cut off halfway through. It means emphasizing well-delivered lines and impressive shots that people will want to see again.

For anime, I'm ambivalent about whether this is good or not. A few anime I find re-watchable, and they're not the ones with great stories. Ones like Azumanga Daioh or Sensei no Ojikan--comedies with memorable characters. I'd like to see more of them.

And speaking of comedy, I like lolcats, all-your-base, and Chuck Norris jokes. Are they laugh-out-loud funny? Usually not. But they're fun to read. I like humor where 85% of the population doesn't get it.

And in closing, I agree with the sentiment of the flake, if not the expression.
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jsevakis
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:53 am Reply with quote
Akukaze wrote:
And now I definitely agree with you, haha. Zac is more entertaining, but I think John knows more (by merit of being more closely connected to "the industry" and having seen more anime) so it balances out nicely.


As someone who has been "industry" for seven years, I've seen Zac pretty much everywhere, meeting with everyone and everything noteworthy in that time, and I have yet to meet John. Maybe some of my colleagues have, but I sure haven't, nor has anyone brought him up in conversation. Nor is "Ask John" really referenced or talked about much among industry rep circles the way Answerman is. So, no, he is not more closely connected to "the industry".

Nothing against John, his column is very informative and well-written. But it's really a different column; more of an essay with lots of facts then an actual focus on answering the question. For example, take the recent Ask John inquiry, "Will there ever be a Harry Potter anime?" John goes on for paragraphs about how popular the book is over in Japan, the history of Western literature being made into anime, and pontificates as to the possibility of why or why not Scholastic and JK Rowling would or would not want such a thing made. (He also makes no mention of the obvious answer, "no way, anime studios don't have the millions to license ludicrously popular Western franchises and besides the dramatization and screenplay rights are already owned by a little company called Warner Brothers, and they gots grabby hands.") Not to put words in his mouth, but if Zac got the same question, the answer would probably be 1-2 short paragraphs with the blunt answer, "No. Here's why..." And then, maybe a snarky comment about HP slash fan fiction.

At any rate, you two (ikillchicken and Akukaze) are really kind of behaving like the stereotypical female bullies in a Japanese Jr. High class. Maybe you don't realize it, but you're just kind of ignoring everyone else (and Zac) while reaching for a very passive-aggressive united front against him. (Nee!) Just a thought, but the forum thread for the column itself doesn't seem to be the ideal place for that.

Dissenting opinions are fine. We've heard you. Now move on. Nobody is asking you to read the column, and we certainly aren't asking you to participate here if you find it so disrespectful and not funny. I'm sure there are plenty of threads about the Naruto dub that would love to have you.


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chrisb
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:54 am Reply with quote
The anime club just might not be in a good area, I mean in some areas people just aren't interested in anime and from the anime club at my school, the fans themselves are more on the hardcore side, scaring moderate and casual fans, and the ones here were rather "if you're not into it like us, you don't really belong" but that was just my situation I don't know how it is in other places.

Maybe it'd be a good idea to show the more subtle side of fandom and yes do picnics, go to movies together, do more than just plain anime stuff but keep it related to anime.

Ugh, what's worse than those dumb Al Yankovich AMVs are the AMVs where they just place clips over a comedian telling jokes, and the people who make these do not know good comedians. There's also that small craze going on over the polka song AMV with a Bleach character (it's just a clip that repeats over and over through the entire song.)

I do like some funny AMVs like the Peach Girl AMV that uses Avril Lavinge's Girlfriend song since it fits one of the characters well and it's just funny.

And I like lolcats actually, but I do find Chuck Norris facts, All your Base, to be very annoying.
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roxybudgy



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:59 am Reply with quote
If people are going to judge episodes 166-67 of Inuyasha as an ending, then of course it sucks, as an ending (Inuyasha fans who only know about the anime really piss me off *generalisation*). However, the manga goes beyond that, way beyond that, so to me, it hasn't ended yet. To me, episode 166-67 was simply another episode. I mean, if you take a random episode from any anime, judged it as the "ending", the one that is supposed to wrap things up, then most likely you'll find that it's terrible.
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rekishi



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 7:45 am Reply with quote
HA HA HAR!... that flake was pure gold... he was like pure uncut 100% proof pre pubescent fanboyism, funneled, filtered and distilled into one paragraph...

the only thing that was funnier, was zac's response... Laughing

i'd just like to take this chance to thank the wonderful people at ADV, Geneon, Funimation, Bang Zoom, New Generation Pictures, Bandai, Media blasters (to a lesser extent) and anyone else that i've missed for the excellent job you all do at catering to the wants and needs of all anime fans of today... and not just the hardcore fanboys like this weeks flake... Anime smile

ehem... moving on...

dropping the rants was probably a good thing... they were getting a little boring...

if i had to pick a show that i couldn't stand to watch again (or rather, any more of) it'd have to be when they cry... i tried my hardest to like this show... expecting another elfen lied... but was quite disappointed in the end... there is only so many times you can watch the same little girl get killed before you've had enough (for me, that was the end of the 3rd arc)...

as for a show that i'll always come back to... well without a doubt that would be haibane renmei... i've purposefully NOT watched this show once i got it all, so i wouldn't get sick of it (like i did with Eva)... but i still come back to it maybe once or twice every six months or so...

re: answerfans... well my internet connection is so god awfully slow and unreliable that it's quite impossible for me to download fansubs myself... but i occasionally scout out youtube when i'm in the mood for something new...

i guess the only reason i watch fansubbed anime, is to see if i want to buy it when i hear it's going to be licenced... kinda like a preemptive preview... it's rare that i'll watch the whole thing that way... (there's no dub Anime smile... >ducks a thrown chair from this weeks flake<... ha! you missed...)... so there really isn't much more for me to comment on this weeks answerfan...
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Toshirodragon



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 8:59 am Reply with quote
Hon'ya-chan wrote:
Toshirodragon wrote:

umm stop downloading fansubs? But then what would I do with all the extra space on my hard drive? Razz


The traditional Internet tradition...Downloading Porn.


bwahahahahhahahaha

But some of my anime IS my porn!
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icepick314



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 9:35 am Reply with quote
stop fansubs?

good lord...

if the anime DVDs were $5 a piece in Japan, then i'll stop downloading fansubs...

Japanese DVDs are so damm expensive...
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