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Chrno2
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Oh boy, man I used to hear this stuff all the time. Just flash a little skin and they think it's pornography. Then I guess 'Miyazaki' stuff would be considered porn too. Since this relates that all "anime" is porn. No wait... his stuff would be acceptable but everything else porn. Hahahaha!! Man maybe I shouldn't have purchased all those "adult" titles this week. All those characters that look underaged. What will they think of me? ARRRRGH!! Wait I hear the sirens now outside my door. But that's some heavy duty fine. |
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Riore
Posts: 4 Location: Australia |
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I find this stupid as most of us Australians get an average of 256kbps download which is 30KB/s :p Porn doesn't even load fast. Australia is also limited to a quota so you get plans that are 1GB, 2GB, 7GB and 20GB worth of data to download a month for a high price, going over your limit will cost you $x.xx (usually $0.50 to $1.50) per MB or you get a speed reduction to 64kbps to 128kbps (8KB/s to 16KB/s) depending on your internet plan. I am a lucky one who gets 9,999kbps (1.25MB/s) down and 256kbps (30KB/s) upload. This is why stuff like Youtube videos are not uploaded by many Australians. Animated or not child pornography is wrong. |
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mike.motaku
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Animated or not child pornography is wrong.
Yeah, I've always been kind of amazed by the arguments here and elsewhere in favor of animated kiddie porn. How it's not real or doesn't have real children in it and that NO fan of it actually carries their child rape fantasies into real life. So. Humans who have been proven throughout history to be open to the influence of any and all things they come in contact with, including porn, are magically immune to the influence of Japanese cartoons. Good to know. I don't buy it for a second, but still. Good to know. 
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BorgmanJayce
 Posts: 298 Location: Hades via UK |
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And that is why I thank Kami-Sama that I don't live in a country run by a racist, idiotic moronic smeghead like John Howard who I'm surprised hasn't been asassinated due to his idiotic views...
Britain may be bad in many ways, but at least we don't go and have outright bans on most kinds of pornography [child pornography is definitely banned, in case anyone is wondering and hentai is seriously censored in the UK which is why a lot of people in the UK tend to download it instead of buying it because of the BBFC, yes, the same BBFC that banned Manhunt 2 recently over here...] and have outright bans on 18+ games like Australia... And before any Aussies decide to try and get medieval on my ass, I actually have a lot of good friends who are Aussies and I find them to be decent and OK people, it's just the people running the country who are running the country that I don't like as their rules seem to be just as repressive as Singapore's if not more so... |
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Gacktx
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Yea lets go with that way of thinking and while we're at it we should also ban all forms of violence from movies and anime cause if we humans watch it we're bond to repeat it. <_< |
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ichiro3923
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1.In terms of your argument that anyone who has "extreme" fantasies will actually commit these crimes, I think it's ridiculous to pass judgement on someone- as one who will automatically commit a crime in the future- based on one's extreme fantasies 2.Also, anime and all forms of entertainment can influence others, but I tend to give more credit to adults, who can tell the difference between reality and fiction and who are not easily persuaded to do something that's considered a crime. 3.I do believe that the "no child harmed in the making of anime porn" argument or the "it's not real" argument is valid. Let's use the movie Hostel for example. We all know that torturing humans is wrong, but noone was actually tortured in the making, even though the content was intended to imitate real torture. Therefore, it shouldn't be "banworthy" (However, it should be given a rating such that children should not watch). I'm not saying that the content of animated child porn isn't as bad as real child porn, but if we base the argument only on content and not on reality vs. fiction, then any content, shown in movies and TV, that is deemed offensive and immoral (such as graphic violence, fictions of rape, etc.) is also open to discussion of being banned. If you think think that animated porn will influence others to harm children, Refer to number one and two. |
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quartears
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I don't see how people can defend this... I don't care if it's animated or live action but this is still child pornography and should be treated as such. Why do you want to see children having sex anyways? The fact that it's animated doesn't make it any different. If we don't tolerate child pornography then we shouldn't tolerate it being animated. I'm happy that this is happening but I don't like what the article says.
I know most of you who read the article are upset at this statement too. Send them well-written, intelligent hate mail. Sadly the only people who understand any of this are fans and it's difficult to explain this to anyone who is not a fan. Anime is a medium not a genre and has no specific artstyle or even universal plot design or whatever the term is. It is simply cartoons from Japan. As I stated I'm very happy this sick lolicon loving person is fined I think he should go to jail and all that jazz but the reporter or reporters obviously needs to be eddicated and be less ignorant. |
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SharinganEye
 Posts: 402 Location: Les Etats-Unis d'Amérique |
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Any reason why the original link was replaced with an AP version?
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ichiro3923
Posts: 167 Location: hiding in your closet watching you |
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Why would we want to watch people violently killing/fighting each other? Why would we want to watch explicit male-to-male sexual intercourse? Why would we want to watch porn? If we don't tolerate violence and other objectionable things, then we shouldn't tolerate them being animated. Oh wait, we do. Violence, Porn, Gay Porn, fanservice, etc is in TV and there is big fanbase that unfortunately if I speak out against these and condemn others for liking these, I would be considered an intolerant biggot. Yet, it is so convenient that the lolicon genre has such a small fanbase and the idea is still unpopular/not accepted in the norm, that anyone can freely bash them and look at the fans with extreme prejudice (such is calling them psychopaths and criminals) without being attacked back and without being considered intolerant Last edited by ichiro3923 on Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:12 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Mjr. Galileo
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I think it would help everyone out if we just go ahead and define, once and for all, the precise moral boundaries concerning obscenity. If you disagree, you're obviously a pedo.
Real Life Adult Murder = bad Real Life Adult Violence = bad Real Life Adult Rape = bad Real Life Adult Sex = ok Real Life Child Murder = bad Real Life Child Violence = bad Real Life Child Rape = bad Real Life Child Sex = bad (equates to rape) Live Action Adult Murder = ok Live Action Adult Violence = ok Live Action Adult Rape = ok Live Action Adult Sex = ok Live Action Child Murder = ok Live Action Child Violence = ok Live Action Child Rape = bad (can't film child rape without committing RL rape) Live Action Child Sex = bad (again, rape) Animated Adult Murder = ok Animated Adult Violence = ok Animated Adult Rape = ok Animated Adult Sex = ok Animated Child Murder = ok Animated Child Violence = ok Animated Child Rape = bad (if you watch animated child rape, you might try real rape. besides, why would you want to watch it anyway, sicko?) Animated Child Sex = bad (ditto) |
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CorneredAngel
 Posts: 854 Location: New York, NY |
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Except, this is why countries exist. What's fine in one place may very well *not* be fine across the border. And vice versa. Nobody is saying anything about the universal morality of child rape or sexual violence. All that we *should* be keeping in mind is that in Australia, it's illegal. No need to think why, it just is. |
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ichiro3923
Posts: 167 Location: hiding in your closet watching you |
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Fine then, I disagree. Call me sicko if you want, but the notion that you can condemn anyone who watches/reads animated child porn, but has never commited a crime(especially child molestation, or watching real live child porn) sounds intolerant and prejudiced to me. |
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Mjr. Galileo
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Agreed. If it's illegal, then it's illegal. The discussion, however, had veered off into the morality of animated child porn. I was just illustrating the prevailing arguement, and trying to point out that it falls apart if you extend it to non-child-porn material. |
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Mohawk52
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And who said we all don't get tarred with the same brush then? |
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Haterater
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I agree with you, ichiro. Its no different than soccer mom saying about violent moives and video games. Oh its violent or "rape", whoever watches or plays these things will do it!! If that person didn't do anything wrong, then its NOT a problem. |
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