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Lady Multi
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I like some wanna-be animeish shows. I like Avatar...! (by Which I am waiting for Season 3 to air). TeenTitans can be interesting, too. W.I.T.C.H. plays out like anime, too, though I never find time to sit through a lot. We also have Canadian (?) shows like Storm Hawks (reminisant of Reboot, imo). WE also have Code Lyoko which is French.
...IMO, most American animations are lacking one thing--a PLOT. Random drawls that get solved in 15-30 minutes don't really pull you in and make you watch it regularly. Admitting, I watch Kim Possible and its the same; I don't have an urge to watch it regularly at all....just when I turn it on and its on. 'Course that's just me. 
Fanfiction. I personally LIKE fanfiction. The only kind fanworks I like seeing published is Doujinshi. US copyright laws are "OMFG, No! You do, I SUE!" ...some people don't care, though...some do. As for fanworks, I read on CLAMP's site one time (in English, btw) that they didn't care...as long as you didn't plagarise their work. After all...they were Doujin-ka at one time, until they started originals and got with a good publisher. Haven't checked their site in a year or so, hn. @ Flake: What? Ever heard of grammer (capital letters), for one. For two, it isn't THAT BAD of editing. There were edits from Manga-->Anime in Japan, too. So, feel sorry for the poor unfortunate anime-watchers in Japan for having things edited (damn them people *sarcasm*). Yeah...wait till they get to Sai in Shippuuden (language edit)... and Hidan for that mater (both language and violence... ). THEN, you can argue about editing. Heh. D: ...If the dub on television ever makes it that far. Personally I watch all versions (fansub, edit-dub, sub, dub ...not to discount the manga)... (I'm special~)
I'm also sleepy so I'm not sure how understandible any of that was. Me and my ranting. ...and I have that disembodied humming voice in my room again trying to lul me to sleep, so I'll leave it there. |
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Neverwhere
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So am I! Didn't they promise it would be airing right about now? 
I do wish Avatar wouldn't get lumped with shows like Martin Mystery et al, it's such an engaging, well-written show (for its kind), and certainly doesn't deserve to be degraded like that. I LOVE Kim Possible Not only is it amusing, it has some of the best continuity in any series I've ever seen, and as an episode quoting pop culture geek I really care about that sort of thing  Also, I relate a little too much to Ron Stoppable, which I'm sure helps a lot. *grins*
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Jedi General
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Indeed. It being such a well produced show sets it apart from the other "animeish" American cartoons. Avatar is on such a different level, that it's a great breath of fresh air whenever new episodes are airing. Heck, whenever it is airing period. I also with they'd hurry it up with the 3rd season already. I'm getting tired of sitting around twiddling my thumbs in anticipation.
I agree. I don't mind watching subbed anime if it's the only option available, since I do like the sound of the Japanese language and all. But, since subtitles detract quite a bit from what's taking place on screen, I do prefer not to read them if I don't have to. I'm also pretty lazy, so of course I like to watch anime in the easiest way available. I have recently started watching dubs with the subtitles on though, in order to compare the differences in the way things were phrased and timed in both tracks. Also, I'm finding that in some older dubs (such as Escaflowne, which I recently finished watching for the first time) it's necessary to watch with the subtitles on in order to fully understand what is going on. Last edited by Jedi General on Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:28 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Lady Multi
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Avatar: The 21st~ (by trailers that is)...I got my mom kinda hooked on the show, quite amusing. It deserved more praise...! D: ...People think less of it probably because when and on what it airs...! I was once one of those people who said, "eh, just a stupid kids show from Nick...".
:3 Kim Possible is one of my fav current Disney series. The unfortunate reason I don't keep regualar with it is time scedualing... D: ...I always manage to work when the new eps air and never catch the reruns unless they are OLD eps (I"ve seen 'em all just about....). I like that there is character developement in the least~ most shows lack character development if aimed at children. :s ...and they actually recall/reference previous episodes at times, which is something else.
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jetz
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Quoted for truth. The reason why I don't watch anime-ish shows like Avatar, Totally Spies and Martin Mystery is that I already watch enough anime. I need some diversity in animation I watch too.
I wonder if that would apply to me. When I graduate I want to find a job that'll enable me to work with anime, and I feel like if that does happen I'll be really happy. Watching anime as your job seems like a fun idea. fanfiction: Just wanna share that back in 6th grade, some kid forced me into buying her fanfic.. It sucked, btw Flake - How come most flakes can't spell? |
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adam_omega
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Trust me... it's not. And the exact same thing is true for manga. It can be a heck of a lot of fun, but it is still work. And all it takes is for you to get something you could care less for to come across your desk and be saddled with working on. Sure, you can learn to stand just about anything, but that kills some of your enjoyment since you're doing it because you have to. |
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ikillchicken
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AwnserFan:
It seems strange that most of the responses were either no Dubbing/Editing or more Mainstream. I find it downright ironic that some contained both these things. If you dont like edits/Dubs: Buy...the...DVDs. You could even rent them for that matter. 99% of the time, DVDs have no edits and full Japanese track with subs. If you also want it on TV this way though, get real. Especially if you want to bring Anime to a more mainstream audience. Dubs are massively essential to getting Anime on TV because they widen the potential audience. Edits can also be key to getting Anime on TV. (overall edits really are pretty rare outside of dummed down Anime for kids) When there is an edit though, its because theres just some stuff ya cant show on TV. Its part of being on TV. In terms of Anime on TV though, its fine to want to see more Anime on TV, but be realistic. Anime is never going to run in primetime along stuff like Lost or 24 because any individual Anime series does not appeal to as wide of an audience as these shows. Fanfics: If you have the tallent to create a half decent story that is good enough to be published, come up with your own characters and make your own story. Then you can go ahead and try to publish it like a normal author. Anime vs NA animation: This isnt so much directed at Zac since his response here might have been appropriate. Still, It seems like whenever someone makes even a suggestion towards Anime vs North American animation, people dive on them assuming that they must be claiming "American animation doesn't look like Japanese animation, and therefore that is a bad thing." Perhaps its because there are so many people out there who actually do think this but that doesnt mean you should assume everyone to be saying this. |
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DemonEyesLeo
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Hear hear! Couldn't have said it better myself. |
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ArielTsuki
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The whole point of the girly voice for Kenshin WAS to make him appear feminine in all sense of the word (heck, even ehe show made a couple of jokes about Kenshin's feminine appearance). And I do love Mayo Suzukaze's performance much more than Richard Casino because it fits more closely to Kenshin's character, and hearing "-de gozaru" literally translated as Yoda speak very annoying, not as annoying as Naruto saying "believe it!" for "-dattebayo!", but still annoying. And I "lol wut?" at you thinking that Aoshi had remotely a girly voice in the Japanese, it was quite very manly sounding. I'm assuming you're talking about Soujiro instead... although he was voiced by a woman in both versions. First on to the column: @ American Anime-style Cartoons: There's no need for them to look like anime, in fact, I encourage them NOT to try to pass it off to anime. Many cartoon companies aren't really taking what makes anime so appealing. Maybe one exception is Avatar. @ Not Much of an Anime Fan: I don't blame ya, Zac of not being an enthuanstic fan as you once were. This is a more likely outcome when you do something that you love as a job. Although there are people who are still enthusantic fans and work in the industry, but I think they'll prolly truly obsessed. @Publishing Fanfiction: I agree with Zac, people will not buy something like fanfiction than fanart due to unknown quality. Plus, I find it a bit pointless due to the sheer amount of fanfiction already existing on the net. Fans think of fanfiction as a free medium, so I wouldn't be surprised selling it was ever popular. I think I might e-mail Zac an answer this week, hopefully. This Answefan question looks interesting enough to respond. |
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Ai no Kareshi
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The column this week was slightly boring, but I don't feel like it was a waste of time reading it.
I agree that America should continue to produce its own styles of animation and not mimic those of foreign countries. Of course, there's nothing wrong with having a couple of anime-inspired works among the lot. I personally prefer the anime drawing style and am myself inspired by it, but I wouldn't want to see it on everything out there - what if it lost its exotic quality? 
About Zac not being an anime fan, I could see that one coming. Having to work with anime all day every day for a couple of years would probably have the same effect on me. This is one reason I would not want a job in the anime industry; I like to keep work and play apart. As for fanfiction, let's just say I have learned to stay away from it, and of the few I have read, each would be a disaster on the market anyway. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there are some great aspiring writers out there, but in my opinion those writers would better off creating their own works than ripping off those of others. Wow, this must be my longest post yet. |
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Invader_Spooch
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I'm getting pretty sick of the "omgz ADV actors don't watch the show ahead of time, they are sucky posers" mindset.
It's a different method of acting, one that many people in the entertainment industry use to aid in getting an actor into the mindset of the character at a particular time (not to mention it's not feasible for all the actors to watch whole series all the time before starting a project, they have other stuff going on in their lives). I guess most TV actors (in shows like Lost, X-Files, Battlestar Galactica, etc) are all crappy posers for not reading a whole season's worth of scripts ahead of time, then. 
-------------------------------------- When it comes to the animation industry in the states, I think the main issue is more about the subject matter and target audiences of the projects that need work more than anything. Americans still have the mindset that animation (for the most part) is for children, and outside of some animated comedies, all we get are family projects. Granted I think series like Avatar are wonderful, well-made engrossing series that breaks the age barrier of the network it's on (I love it), but I feel that the public is never going to honestly look at animation as a serious medium of storytelling until we get more widespread adult-oriented releases. Projects like Afro Samurai, 5 Killers, etc are good signs that things may start leaning more towards that direction in the future, with the global market morphing every year. It's heartening to see American writers get a shot at projects that just wouldn't have happened 5-10 years ago. |
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fuuma_monou
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AVATAR is so much better than the Marathon shows. Real martial artists are consulted by the animators, proper Chinese calligraphy, and proper respect for Asian cultures. Hell, AVATAR is better than most actual anime. |
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roxybudgy
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While I agree that American or Japanese animation, neither if superior to the other, I'm curious about what makes anime "different" (no, I'm not the one who sent in the question). I mean, alot of people will look at a picture/clip and instantly be able to guess it's origin: Asian, or no Asian.
Of course, people don't always get it right, but often, for some reason, people seem to be able to tell the difference most of the time. Is it because of the big eyes, or what? (and I know for sure that some jerk is going to misinterpret what I just said >.>) |
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nqm
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Long time, first time yadda yadda...........
Actually as far as American animation. I typically like the stuff that Bruce Timm and Paul Dini puts out like Batman: The Animated Series in it's incarnations, Superman Adventures, Justice League, and Batman Beyond because they approached it not as a cartoon but as another medium especially in casting the voice actors. To me Mark Hamill is the definitive Joker. Andrea Romano the casting director for those shows really did a great job. I also like the shows Gendy Tartakovsky has done such as Dexter's Labratory. I adore Samurai Jack even though Gendy is ruled by his influences of all kinds of mediums of anime, raditional comic books, and cinema. To me it's a loving homage to those elements instead of an annoying poor facsimile like Teen Titans. Besides how cool is it that characters like Jigen from Lupin make cameos in such a show. Even though the story is basically rehashed Frank Miller's Ronin. Also I even like Craig McCracken and also Gendy has contributed to the show Powerpuff girls. I even enjoyed the Star Wars the Clone Wars shorts. Another show I enjoyed was Disney's Gargoyles even though it seems like half it's voice actors are from Star Trek. I thought the show was pretty compelling. Besides Kieth David has such an awesome deep voice. Also Tenchi Muyo was also the first anime that I really got into that made me descend into fandom. I should really pick it up on DVD for nostalgia factor. Although now I can't stand to watch harem shows although still have a soft spot for Tenchi. I too have a fondness for Escaflowne if not anything but for Yoko Kanno's music for the series and I like to rewatch it. I just picked up the dvd set last year and before picking it up on DVD. I hadn't watched it in years. It brought back alot of memories. Miyazaki's stuff tends to be timeless. Nausicaa still looks incredible to this day. As far as the Rurouni Kenshin I much prefer the Japanese cast and was somewhat annoyed mostly because of unreasonable elitism that they got rid of the the "oro" in the english dub. I liked Kenshin's voice actress and Soujiro's too. But I can watch the show in english and not have too many issues although I prefer to watch the subtitled versions for Kenshin. I think nowadays english VA's do take care in the work they are acting with. And the translations are getting alot better. I still prefer subtitled but if a dub is good for an anime or if I feel they get the right emotional content of the work then I have no problems with the dubs. So the statement made earlier I would agree is rather elitist. |
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Zac
ANN Executive Editor
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Ouch. Okay then. Next week: explosions and women. |
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