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angel_lover
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I don't think I could make any better reply than to simply requote that, it's one of the most amusing things I've seen all week. Can we just get one thing straight? Correlation and causality are two very different things. Correlation means A is associated with B, causality means A causes B. Suppose we could prove that all murderers had played violent games (which we can't anyway because it's not true). Would this prove that playing violent games made someone into a murderer? NO. All it does is prove correlation, not causality. It could be that people already likely to murder someone are more likely to play violent games, or that some other personality trait was responsible for both the murderous nature and the liking of violent games. Taking a real-world example of this, in the 1970's a correlation was found between exposure to flourescent light and skin cancer. Thankfully, exposure to excessive sunlight was found to be the major cause, otherwise flourescent lighting could have ended up being outlawed. Eventually, it was discovered that the correlation existed because larger, more profitable companies were more likely to have converted their office lighting to flourescent tubes, and also more likely to pay their employees more, which meant that they took more holidays to beach destinations with high sun factors, and therefore were more likely to get skin cancer. Anyway, for me the bottom line is that the mass media of a nation should consider its responsibilities carefully in the case of a national tragedy, but in the case of personal tragedy it has the equal responsibility to carry on regardless. If a personal tragedy actually becomes a national tragedy then that is the fault of the same mass media. Last edited by angel_lover on Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:33 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Kenotic
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So moving forward is more violence and nudity, and moving backwards is less?
side note: I like the smart ones, keep it up! Anyway, the final graduation episode was pulled as well, but shown before the 4th season started. With that one Joss was a little less sympathetic. I think the people freaking out over this (And I'm a Higurashi fan) may not see is that this seems to be done out of reverence and respect, not for a fear of copycat crimes. This news story gives evidence to this:
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CCSYueh
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We're not talking fans who know the diff you know. We're talking the Anime company that produced it or the tv stations airing it obviously having a better grasp of reality than everyone screaming ove the loss of seeing this ep doing the "cover our butts" response of waiting to see if the title IS implicated or not. Even though we all know watching Ichi the Killer on replay for a week with no sleep & living on pure sugar isn't going to turn someone not pre-disposed to murder into a murderer, what about your grandmother? WHat about your neighbor, who saw on the news someone respectable like a cop was slain brutally by his teen-aged daughter (teens are trouble) & some tabloid or something points to a paper-thin connection between an anime including a girl in a black dress using an axe to kill people just like this horrendous real-life murder & you REALLY think there isn't a certain element what won't buy the connection? Do you not understand the corporate-mode though of not wanting to be sued because someone bought a cup of coffee & it was actually HOT so they got burned & sued & won? I couldn't believe about a year ago looking at a bag of peanuts there was a warning the product was processed with machinery that came in contact with nuts? Wow! You mean my bag of peanuts actually has been in contact with nuts? Gee, I though I could feed peanuts to some kid allergic to nuts! Good thing I read that. (actually, I know no one allergic to nuts, but when I read it, I figured that was the ultimate in butt-covering by a corporation) Has no one tried to have nuts removed from the school menu in your town because some kids are allergic to them? Have you not had some mother want other kids banned from bringing nuts in their home-packed lunches because her kid is allergic to nuts? I mentioned over on that other thread I experienced this with the Westerfield trial. People who only knew I had anime posters all over my cubicle ran over to ask me about Westerfield allegedly having anime porn on his computer. Add to the fact otaku in Japan are seen in the same light or worse than the Star Trek geek in his 30's or40's living in mom or dad's basement. Look at the US & OJ. We're all over him again when if it wasn't OJ this news incident wouldn't even have made national news. Do you not shop t grocery stores with tabloids lined up at the check-out line. While you're standing there do you not scan the headlines for a laugh & realize there are tons of people who actually believe this stuff? |
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Zilan
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Anyone remember the first Spider-man movie edits? At the end of the movie when spidey is jumping around NY and lands on the side of the flag poll, he was suppose to land on the World Trade center. They edited it out at the last minute because of 9/11.
It's just respect I believe. |
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DmonHiro
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GOD....I wish you were wrong. Sadly, what you said is 100% true. Some people are unreasonable. Well...as long as they don't CANCEL the show, it's not really that bad. I'm 4 episodes behind anyway |
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Shiroi Hane
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Splitter
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And to think that was in the first season. No complaints. And now the network says they're pulling it because it may be too much for audiences. Seriously, did they even KNOW what they were showing?! Or are they playing the "we're just the providers! we didn't know!" card like Seven Seas did earlier this year during the whole Nymphet dealie. |
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CCSYueh
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Best case scenario is it's just delayed until everyone quiets down. Second best would be the ep(s if the title is pulled entirely) are included unaired on the dvds. Hopefully not as long of a wait as Invader Zim fans had for the dvds wih the unaired eps. The one no one wants is for it to vanish into the vault. If the show is completely cleared of any involvement, you'll probably get the first |
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Koast
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This is a fact of the matter of a company worrying about it's going to get sued merely because of what they're showing. Obliviously however, if you're going to play that card we're going to need a lot more evidence than a mere black dress. Maybe we should go all the way back to the Matrix and blame them for the black tenchcoats at colombine? No body really believed that, atleast I sure didn't.
I'm not sure what exactly is meant by a "national tragedy" this is just pure sensationalism, and if Japan is worse than the US, than I wouldn't really have a problem ignoring it like I did in the past. This isn't a national tragedy, it was a tragedy and a murder, not the responsibility of those in the past, I often think that people who really support these moves don't know what they're really saying and are playing the safe card. The fact remains this; most companies Aren't smart, and if they were then we wouldn't have Lead in toys. The fact remains that the correlation between violent shows is irrelevant, the fact remains that people should stop supporting nonsense sensitivity by canceling certain shows and start supporting people's own privacy. I can't count the number of times I seen news networks showing crap on school shootings, leave these people ALONE to let them work out. "Gee thanks for holding off that show, now if only you can get that camera out of my face". It just boggles my mind to think that this is being sensitive? I'm not sure really, maybe the next episode had No blood in it, and involved Rena trying to find Ronald McDonald in her garbage dump..? I don't really know, but I guess we will soon probably find out. My point is, I think people go by this the wrong way if it's sensitive, I think companies aren't smart but then again they're ran by people who only want the bottom line, and I wish people really would think a bit more carefully about what would truly matter to others than what they think do. And that's all I gotta say about that 
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CCSYueh
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I thought it was The Basketball Diaries or whatever that took the fall for Columbine. How many "major tragedies" have you lived thru in your town? We've had enough (Remember Huberty going to McDonalds to "hunt humans?" Took awhile for my husband or I to venture into a McDonalds even though the killer was killed in the shootout & McDonalds locally did see a dip in sales.) SOme school shootings (wasn't the one that made the Boomtown Rats' song ours? Didn't live here then) Danielle Van Damme. Betty Broderick, Some big cop shootings. Craig Peiyer. A few big missing children/child murder cases There's no harm in being sensitive. Actually the opposite is scarier-being so hardened you can't even show some common respect or decency to your fellow humans. It really doesn't take that much effort to think of others once in awhile. |
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Koast
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A Lot of things took the fall for Columbine, when I heard that KMFDM actually had to tell everyone they weren't Nazis, I was highly annoyed to think people would be so ignorant of german people. As for sensitivity I am not trying to discourage people from being sensitive to others everyday, believe me there's a Lot of people who are jerks. What I'm saying is not to get confused and mislead by people who would make other things a scapegoat. I never had that many tragedies in my area, but you probably live in a much more bigger urban area than I do. I'll envy you for that, but otherwise I have yet to hear of anything that would take that much of a public protest. And not all of the When they Cry episodes are in fact scary, in the first episode the scariest thing might have been Rena found the KFC statue cute (that's just Weird), or maybe it's that she rummaged around in a garbage dump? I'm not sure.. but you know what I mean 
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psygremlin
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Actually, I'd have to say the reaction is very Japanese - it's all about the tatemae after all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honne |
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Za_randomness
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Anyone know when this show's getting back on the road?
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Vuwazy
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If they decide such a decision, their call. At least it's just one episode and not the whole series.
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