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nightjuan
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I don't know about CK, but I believe Fate/Zero is focused on presenting different personal desires and potential rivalries in the context of a competition for the Holy Grail, by and large, not about the larger struggle between at least two sides on more of a political or military scale. It's a very different setup. |
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Gon*Gon
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I think he's referring less to general setting(Holy Grail vs. military occupation) of the story and more to "who do I want to win?"
In this case...Fate/Zero does a great job...mostly thanks to the stuff Emiya will do later on. On the other hand all the other characters are pretty easy to tell from good and evil. |
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Megiddo
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Oh, I agree. I was just playing off his 'most action anime have a hero and a villain' remark. While I don't know if F/Z will eventually result in such a situation, I am loving that they didn't force it down my throat like Guilty Crown did in the first episode.
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Charred Knight
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Correct, I am not talking about series with multiple contestants. With those types of series it's just generally a lot easier to make various likable contestants and have them be pitted against some villains. With a war series, unless its something like Apocalypse Now, you generally are going to get one good side and one evil side. Even with something like Mobile Suit Gundam, the Earth Federation certainly had it's problems but they where a lot better than the Zabi family in particular Gihren Zabi. |
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blackseer
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I consider Gundam Seed Destiny a good example of both sides being ambiguous. But what everybody is saying is true; you can only know how they will treat the differents sides of the story after a few episodes, unless you want everything exemplained in an enormous infodump or a really slow first episode with alot of nonsense narration (as Fate/Zero and Gundam 00 did) |
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Alan45
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As long as you are talking war, being told which side to root for or fight on is a given. Its called "my country".
Once your country's leaders decide which side to fight on, they are automatically the "good guys". The other side is automatically the "bad guys" if not "inhuman scum". As an individual, you can choose to go against this. Such a person is usually considered a "traitor" and is often not trusted and looked down on even by the side they choose to support. The only people who can choose which side to support are those from a country not involved in the war. They are usually termed "mercenaries" and get little respect these days. This situation is not always desireable, but it tends to be the way real life works. In fiction, you have some leeway at start, but at some point your characters are going to have to for or against the powers that be. |
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Herp n Derp
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SEED Destiny being a good example of both sides as ambiguously good/evil is more due to SEED Destiny being an atrocious example of competent writing.
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Charred Knight
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Could you explain? I have certainly seen people who have praised Durandal's Destiny plan, though I disagree with it.
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Cecilthedarkknight_234
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aww zac's not doing any more reviews??.... tch, his skew reviews are what make half of the seasons previews lul worthy, eh oh well.
So what's with the politics in guilty grown?? If it was amercian movie about killing terrorist or commies back in the 80's would be having this discussion?? Lurking is in my nature, it always has been however when your bringing up frivolous feelings about something that's fiction I really don't see the point in getting so emotionally mad, but hey what ever. PM if you really want to talk about it. |
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leafy sea dragon
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Yeah, Zac's are consistently my favorite as just things to read on their own since they're always the least serious. They're always a hoot.
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blackseer
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Defending the Destiny plan is little difficult, especially for people of the US, but let's try.
The basic concept of the Destiny plan is that everyone would have a part to play in the society, chosen by that machine based in the genetic constitution of the person. Basically, everyone would have a profession they would do best and having a life without uncertainty regarding their jobs, the only thing they would lose is the freedom of choosing what they wanna do as a career. This is basically socialism, with the machine acting as the estate and deciding what is needed of the society and each individual, making sure everyone has what is necessary for survival and a satisfactory life, such as entertainment, medical care, food, education etc. The reason many of us would be against it is because of real life examples of countries that applied this kind of stabilized system and the US propaganda during the Cold War. But in favor of socialism, every implementation of it so far have been very different from it's roots, especially the Soviets under Stalin. Stalin politics diverged so much from Marx's manifest that many Comunist Parties over the world were against him, since they didn't want to be compared to him. Going back to the anime, the Destiny plan is some sort of socialism, with genetic science backing it up and a incorruptable leader (in theory), where everyone has stability and everything that is needed for their live, why go against it? The whole point of the heroes of the story was that they disagree with the method that Durandall used to set his plan in motion and its consequences, so they could not trust him. Durandall manipulated war, created a hero and a villain in the media, to make the peoplo more willing to a political change. When looking at history, every major change in political systems happened during a crysis, so he created a new one and used its hero to introduce his new plan. So, in the end, the main clash of Seed Destiny is if ends (Durandall) are more important than the means (Kira), not if the Destiny plan would work or not. It's the same clash seen in Code Geass season 1, in which both Lelouche and Suzaku want to save Japan, but one with any means necessary and the other by the legal way. |
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blackseer
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kpk
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C3 EP3 was pretty cool..
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Gon*Gon
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WHA-?! I missed several episodes thanks to erratic schedule, so I didn't understand what it really was. But seriously? That's pretty sweet. A utopia. Especially considering society's current situation in real life. A guaranteed field of expertise and a perfect incorruptible leader. And even better, rather than imperfect human emotions, this is backed up by genetic science. ...damn, Durandal shoulda won in the end.  The "heroes" were all extremely petty and selfish if what you say is true.
___________________________________________________ C^3 3rd episode, despite the horrible video quality and the video stopping mid-play asking me to buy premium, forcing me to find another site, I still love this show. My only complaints is...the episode titles never make any sense to me. Last edited by Gon*Gon on Mon Oct 17, 2011 2:58 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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einhorn303
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I don't have a problem with a command economy, but the idea that people's role in society can purely be determined by their genes is pretty silly and unscientific. Since the environment plays such a huge part in determining a person's upbringing. |
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