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CCSYueh
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Richard.
I'm sorry I forgot the quote marks I'd probably respond "I'm buying it for me. Are you a homophobe that it bothers you so much?" I wasn't applying it to you, but to said random clerk who would assume such a thing if he saw my teen standing next to me in line. And you'd be surprised just how homophobic this little town is. Not necessarily blatant, but stupid little random comments people make without thinking like "Don't bend over in Hillcrest!" I like throwing out "Are you a homophobe" to people in person because a lot of people don't think they are, so it makes them think about it. And because I forgot the quote marks, you took my overall tone wrong. I'm sorry. I know you from the other threads. I was just questioning how we got to 7 Tammy yr old reading yaoi. When I saw what looked like a 8-10 yr old girl picking up Boy Princess Postcards at Comic-con, I tried to point out to the mom what the book was about, but mom didn't care. Fine. I'm sure the girl thought Nicole was a girl because one card looks like he's in an evening gown (like the promo shot of Kazuki & Jubei from GetBackers). I also question if parents are paying attention to their under 12's watching FMA about a couple of boys who quite literally lose an arm & a leg & much more trying to bring their dead mother back to life. It reminds me of the scene in Better off Dead (or is it the Summer one with John Cusak) where the kid says s/he knows about sex from sex ed in school & dad is happy about his taxdollars at work or however that scene plays out.
But at least if mom or dad do raise a fuss, the publisher is safe. Buyer beware-parents screwed up. Issue could be taken with store selling said material--maybe the clerks should be ID-ing people buying yaoi. The fall-out would likely fall on the store for selling it to minors. The opposite is just as stupid. I've seen under-12's unable to buy Fruits Basket because their folks religiously believe in the age ratings, maturity of their own child be damned. My sister's best friend wasn't allowed to see 1776 with the rest of her class because the only PG movies they allowed her to see was the ones with John Wayne because the folks knew he was ok. Actually, it's this site where the guys seem to whine about not enough yuri, then whine about what they do get. They whine about all the yaoi getting licensed, but it always seems as though the gals squeal over this & that title being licensed & don't particularly complain that title A got licensed instead of title C, though they long for Title C to get picked up. Over on the thread announcing MediaBlasters putting out some yuri anime, guys were complaining there probably wouldn't be a dub. Or they licensed XXX manga instead of YYY. The gals seem happy with whatever bone's thrown their way & ask for more. I never knew how many people were also buying Shonen Onmyoji until Geneon went down & everyone started crying about SO, KKM & Saiunkoku. Ariel- Haruhi isn't a typical female heroine. She's one of those gals who likes comfortable clothes over looking stylish. She doesn't ooh & ahhh over typical girly stuff. She's more boyish than some boys we see. I have issues with a lot of Watase's female characters which is why I have a hard time reading her stuff. Her guys are nice enough, but the girls tend to be annoying. Aya is less than Miaka, but it does seem the longer a shojo title goes, the more likely it'll head south. Absolute Boyfriend-I like Night, but... gahr. It's pissing me off. Alice 19 or whatever(Now I have music from Alice 9, I get them confused) annoying female. From Far Away worked for me because the girl didn't get too annoying, but Red River I dropped less for an annoying heroine as the annoying stereotype wicked step mom neverending plots. I've been to the "Kill all the girls & let the boys have Fruits Basket" for some time now. Tohru is soooooooooo good. Practically Mother Theresa. |
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Bara_Megami
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Watase doing BL, for real??? Nice, I have to check that out, I really didn't think Watase had it in her to do it. Even though the FY manga was pretty bad, the Genbu prequel is boring as hell, and I agree that Aya got pretty dumb around the end of Ceres (one more volume to go!), I still believe in Watase. And I have no idea why. (googles) OH MY GOD I JUST SAW SOME SCANS and whoooo... In any case, doesn't it seem like the American publishers are just picking up anything they can get? And Lily Hoshino? I haven't read her other work, but just from the cover...not my flavor. And yes, when getting yaoi, I just go by the cover, and then author second (and the 18+ rating before any of those). Because when getting a book featuring two "seemingly hot guys getting it on", you want them to look good.  Even at that, I'm still one of the crazies who buys just about every BL title out there D:.
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Jordansuki
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Yeah, Lily Hoshino's work could be sold as het and no one would notice. There is still alot of unlicensed BL out there. I've been to Otome Road. I've seen the sheer volume of yaoi manga there. I am glad we are finally starting to see more BL novels, there are so many over in Japan that look so interesting. |
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Richard J.
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Heck, look at the long battle against video games. They have clear ratings on them but people still rail agaist the companies and politicians still try to get laws passed against the game makers.
I'm also one of those who complained about the lack of an English dub for Media Blasters' Yuri titles, though I would complain about that for any series I wanted to see. Personally, I think they licensed a number of series, several of which struck me as very marketable, yet they sub-only the release, quaranteeing minimal sales. It's a personal preference issue for me. (I found the sub-only release especially annoying for Kashimashi and Simoun, which clearly have appeal beyond sheer Yuri fandom.) As to why ladies don't complain about the same issues, my only guess is that they are more willing to accept a lesser release for titles because they'd rather have something than nothing. Of course, that invites second-class treatment, but if that's what Yaoi fans are willing to accept, fine for them. Me, I refuse to spend my money on a product that doesn't meet my standards. Period. (And by God if I ever have the money I will get the English dubs made that I want!) Plus, if the companies are pushed, they might actually do what we want them to eventually. |
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AyumiHamasaki
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I actually found out that Yuu Watase started doing BL just recently. And I read the first two chapters which were around 170 pages. It totally blew me away. It was so much better than Fushigi Yuugi. Her art matured as well. It's too bad that it's released in a quarterly magazine. |
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teh*darkness
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Hmhm... it was interesting that you agreed with me on several of my complaints, though I will agree it's more up to the stores and the parents to keep the Mature titles away from younger girls, such as putting them in a more controlled area, by the register or something (which is something I wouldn't mind being done with any of the Mature titles that I buy, whether they be fanservice/action/yuri-oriented, or anything else). Also, thank you for the coherent response to my various questions. In normal conversations with yaoi fans, I get written off as a homophobe, when it's really more that I don't understand the infatuation with the genre, and it bugs me that yaoi fans get so much, and it's taken so long for yuri to even be tested (though it's finally changing). In closing, I also agree with you about het shoujo in general... I know many, many girls who read nothing but shoujo, and try to get me to read them, and I just can't, partly because the art is dreadful, imo, partly because it's such stupid fluff most of the time (I'll agree that Ouran is a decent series). And I'd never really thought about the fact that it IS BL... boy 'love'. I just assumed girls read it for the sex, but it appears some of you read it for the actual romance. So, thank you for clearing that up for me. As Richard J. said, I'm no fan of it, but now I understand a bit more about those of you who read it. PS> It also seems that the majority of yaoi readers on these boards are actually mature people (males, females), and not the aforementioned squeally tweens. My mistake. 
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CCSYueh
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Wait, I skimmed over this. You're saying yaoi is more pornographic than hentai or just shojo? Although there's apparently shojo out there that is burning the eyes of mommies/daddies in the Japanese PTA, one would expect yaoi to be more...adult? than most shojo. It's all BL in Japan now so the tame, sweet stuff of 2 boys in love ending with maybe a kiss runs in the same manga magazines as the rape stuff. I like Yamane myself(love the artbook), but Kano's artbook (Playgirl? Playboy? I forget) has some pretty intense art, including a sealed section in the back. I know I picked up about 6 shojo titles from Mitsuwa the other day & at least 1 looked like it was heading into a rape scene(of course, that's where it ended for the volume) Sho-comi? Margaret? I'll have to look. Don't think it was the Hanayumi or whatever... On the other hand, I believe it was Othello where the author commented on how hard it was drawing all the sex scenes &, the book was really good, but I didn't really notice "sex" other than guys on top of one another. (unless I was too engrossed in the stories) Guys on top of one another is like PG, maybe R depending on how intense, but there really is a lot of stuff released here that is more PG. I've seen the complaint of why is this rated 16+ when all they do is kiss--because it's 2 boys kissing? One author(Yamane, maybe?) commented her older fans seem to want romance while the younger ones want more sex. I know I don't care as much about whether I see naughty parts(I'm fine with almost all the way down shots like Minekura does in Saiyuki. I love her stuff & have all 4 Salty Dogs. 'Bout time for #5...) I pick up BeXBoy (Love Pistols runs in this one), Gush(I believe the Tyrant Falls in Love is in this one or Chara), Chara & Chara Selection (One of these runs Crimson Spell & one runs Wild Adaptor), & there are titles that have yet, in the time I've been picking them up (April or May), had graphic sex so the image of yaoi as porn isn't completely true, they just don't differenciate. Maybe there's a light BL zine out there, but I haven't located it yet. I picked up one thinking it would be sweet stuff--nope, mixed. |
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blueharlequin
 Posts: 81 Location: Las Vegas, NV (No, we don't live in hotels here) |
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Het = Heterosexual (in the context I was speaking of) I haven't found any heterosexual relationships in shoujo manga that are as pornographic as yaoi. And the things that I have seen that come closest (examples: Sensual Phrase {manga-ka Mayu Shinjo, sorry wrong spelling earlier} and Hot Gimmick) usually have @sshole (excuse the language) males in them. What woman would want to be Aine or Hatsumi? Notes: I love Kazuya Minekura. My fave art book is SugarCoat Tyrant is in GUSH. |
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