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Tempest
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Princess Tutu was not a success. The show has a very small following of very faithful fans. The first season sold abysmally, it seems that for every ten people that publicly said they loved this show and desperately wanted someone to release it, only 8 or so people bought the show. Luckily for the people who bought it, Princess Tutu also has a few fans at ADV Films, and those people decided to release season two for the love of the show, not for profit (sure, ADV probably made a few bucks off it, but from a numbers point of view, I doubt it was worth the effort). Almost everyone I know that was involved with the show (I've spoken with the Japanese producers about it) absolutely loved it and considers it a great success from a quality point of view. But financially, "mildly successful" is painfully incorrect. -t |
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Top Gun
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Regarding the great manga/anime debate (which seems to be getting started a week early), for me personally, I know that the anime side wins hands-down. I've been ravenously devouring books my entire life, so it has nothing to do with reading, and I'm actually normally on the side of viewing original material before/over adaptations. The thing is...I just really can't stand the comic book format as a whole. I find trying to read them extremely irritating due to the visual acrobatics required to follow along with the text, and practices like bolding random words for emphasis irk me to no end. Mostly, though, I feel like it's such a limiting format visually; they fall somewhere in the middle ground between actual novels, which allow the reader to picture the action being presented in full fluid detail in their heads, and full-on animation, which visually depicts said action in the same said detail. Instead, you're left with random flashes of a scene, like watching an old TV that keeps randomly flickering off and on. I don't know, maybe it's because I moved away from picture books at a very early age, but it just doesn't work for me at all. I think that's especially true for shounen series, despite their often annoying tendency for fillers; in my mind, moments like fights between soul reapers in Bleach basically scream out to be experienced in full audiovisual glory.
(Note that I'm not saying anything against the actual stories and artwork that the series' creators come up with, since they're often quite excellent. I just don't like viewing them while presented in that particular form.) |
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babbo
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I understand where you're coming from to a degree, but seeing you emphasize the fact that you moved from picture books from an early age while you illustrate the fact that you have a hard time filling in the in between in a comic sorta cracks me up. After all, you have to fill in the entire image yourself when you're reading a a novel. To be honest though I think the whole comparison is worthless. Both anime and manga have their own merits and I'd never say that I like either better than the other <.< Last edited by babbo on Fri Nov 09, 2007 4:52 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Dargonxtc
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You do realize that there is a huge difference between a singer and songwritter though, right? When people want to hear a Britney Spears or Madonna song, they ask to hear a Spears song or a Madonna song, even though almost all of there songs were written by someone else. Bart Howard had to learn how to sing just so he could have an idea of what he was writting would sound like(don't get me wrong, he was good at what he did). The song itself was floated by several artists around Manhattan, of which it was titled "In Other Words". It never had a national audience until Peggy Lee performed "In Other Words" on the Ed Sullivan Show in 1959. The song was all but forgotten until 1961 when Sinatra committed it to wax under the new moniker "Fly Me To The Moon". It was then that the song became a common household tune. Since it was added to Sinatra's repertoire it has been re-recorded and re-versioned over 500 times, a testament to the Chairman of the Board's gold standard. In short, I don't think it is incorrect to credit Sinatra as the one of the originators of the song, since he is the one who made it a nationally recognized song(although in fairness an argument could be made for Peggy Lee). True enough he didn't write it, but if he had never sung it, it would have sunken into obscurity. So I think your overall point of trying to dis him for not doing enough research is a bit moot.
Did you mean to say 2 out of 10? Just asking. |
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andrael
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"Clearly, this conflict can only be settled through BALLET."
Had to fix that. |
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Mohawk52
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Also it's interesting no one mentioned "Magic Girl Pretty Sammy", or "Mew Mew Power", aka "Tokyo Mew Mew". |
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Zac
ANN Executive Editor
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I'm pretty sure he did, because if 8 out of 10 people who said they would buy Princess Tutu actually did it'd have been a financial success. At least, provided it wasn't just those 10 guys on AOD saying they'd buy it and ADV licensed it based on that. That'd just be a silly way to do business. |
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Angel_Trainee
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Aww those bunnies are so cute,hee hee and they have there own little town
 .Heh reading those responses to the question "What's the worst anime" was interesting and funny,just some of the comments they made had me wanting to laugh. 
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ichiro3923
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Manga vs. Anime:
I prefer to like anime just because I hate the idea of reading a book, but it does not make any difference because I end up reading the dialogue in fansubs anyway. There are two main reasons that I prefer anime: 1.Eye Candy- I love the fluidity of action scenes 2.Anime has musical score, which helps sets the mood and tone and also may help in the process of letting the viewer feel some emotion during a dramatic scene |
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Tempest
I Run this place. ANN Publisher Posts: 10420 Location: Do not message me for support. |
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No, I meant what I said. A couple hundred people are known to have publicly said they would buy the DVDs on this and other forums (primarily other forums). The sales were very, very low. First month sales, according to Vidscan, were lower than the total number of people who said they'd buy it in one particular forum thread; in the double digits. Vidscan is a very bad metric for something so niche, but the end result was still abysmal. 5 in 10 might have been more accurate, but I wanted to be a little liberal. Only ADV knows the exact numbers, and while they've never kept their unhappiness with the sales a secret, it's not like I get a copy of their weekly sellthrough and returns. -t |
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Dargonxtc
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Tempest:
Thanks for the clarification. I guess when you said "only 8" it threw me off. Because under different circumstances 80% is pretty good. But when your pooling from a small group of individuals to begin with, it doesn't really matter. |
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LittleFoot
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Why is Princess Tutu considered a magical girl anime? I've always considered it a fairytale. I'm willing to bet that the person who listed it as the worst anime didn't even bother to watch it. All my friends put it off too because of the title. Too bad. It's a really great show.
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Rin Tohsaka
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Hey, they don't call her the "White Devil" for nothing... 
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ichiro3923
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Dude, I'm pretty sure Night Shift Nurses is hentai/porno; that's why a scene you saw was disgusting. ....Trust me bro 
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BrothersElric
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Ah yes, that good 'ol scene.  I swear I LOLed for hours after he said that!
But yeah, I really enjoyed s-CRY-ed myself, despite the dub (which I really didn't think was too bad anyways). And for more reasons than just simple brainless fun too. I really loved all of the shounen elements to it, most specifically the emotional and moral themes. Of course, this coming from a HUGE shounen fan. And it really provided for some great drama too. It felt more along the lines of a Busou Renkin-type series, where it's very, very typical shounen fare, but very entertainingly campy, but still does a good job of having that heartfelt, moral goodness that makes shounen such a great genre. I gave it an Excellent rating, not sure why really other than the fact that it actually indeed was one of the first shounen series I saw, but I really should have it more at a Very Good rating. Definitely amongst my favorites though.
As for EVA, well, definitely FAR from the worst ever, but definitely vasty overrated. There was a lot of great ideas there and did a pretty good job of being very emotionally meaningful, not to mention how much I LOVE the mech designs for the EVAs (HIGHLY disagree with the person who wrote the letter on that) and how awesome some of the battle sequences were, but it was just way too all over the place and not done enough in any sort of a plotline. Basically it was just a bunch of ideas written down on paper. Great ideas have you, but it was just too messy. It probably would have been more of an epic masterpiece if it had actually been organized into some kind of plotline or something, which is probably why I have End of EVA rated as Excellent as apposed to the series' Very Good rating since it came far closer to doing that than the series did. As for the characters, well, the thing is, I really love characters with backbone, you know, the more heroic type of characters. Even though I love it when I can relate to and identify with the characters, they have to have some kind of quality of strength or heroism, even if they have to develop into that. And as much as I love the emotional side of the EVA characters and their identifiability, they really disappointed me in how weak willed they were. That's probably their only downside for me. And I don't point that out as a flaw of the writer, I know it was what he was trying to do, it's just a simple case of personal preference is all. |
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