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GATSU
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:09 pm
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Xanas:
Quote: | Think of it like this. If I license software under the GPL and someone uses my code and makes a buggy version of my program with a few extra features. When the users come back and complain to me instead of the guy who created the buggy version, I'll tell them "I don't support that." |
But if they paid for it beforehand, assuming you did support it, then aren't they being ripped off?
Quote: | GATSU, would you say that the Japanese companies & music industry endorse AMVs? |
Not really, but they're more willing to let it slide, because it's non-profit.
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Xanas
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:12 pm
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But if they paid for it beforehand, assuming you did support it, then aren't they being ripped off?
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People should never assume that anything from a third party to the original creator is going to be supported by that person. If they did pay for it they'd be ripped off perhaps, but not by me but instead the one who sold them the broken copy.
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The law disagrees and that's really all that matters. The debate is moot. You think plagiarism is wrong in that if they say it's their own work but isn't, but don't see why a company would have a problem with this? They ARE saying the work is their own without giving money to square or getting their permission first. I would say, in business terms, that is definitely what it equates to.
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The debate is moot in court. The entire discussion here is moot for that matter, every single post here. I'm not denying that my point in this situation isn't going to change things on it's own. It's still my perspective and yes, I am in disagreement with the law. Though I am delusional, I'm not nearly delusional enough to actually think my POV is actually going to make law. Neither is your POV going to make the law stay as it is or change. This being said, collectively opinions can change things (we are mostly under democratic governments after all) and this is why I say what I do. I realize many people disagree with me. I just ask that they question why they disagree with me instead of always going back to "the law." Laws are many times unjust, and many times deserving of change.
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GATSU
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:01 pm
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Xanas:
Quote: | People should never assume that anything from a third party to the original creator is going to be supported by that person. |
They shouldn't, but they do.
Quote: | If they did pay for it they'd be ripped off perhaps, but not by me but instead the one who sold them the broken copy. |
And if they sued your ass over said product, would you be happy?
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Xanas
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:04 pm
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People can sue for anything, but they'd end up losing horribly. Can you tell me of any successful lawsuits involving software that defeated the disclaimer? Microsoft hasn't heard of it apparently. They and pretty much everyone seem to get by just fine with the very clearly stated "no warranty" clause.
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GATSU
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:05 pm
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Xanas:
Quote: | Can you tell me of any successful lawsuits involving software that defeated the disclaimer? Microsoft hasn't heard of it apparently. |
Um, they just lost against the EU.
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Xanas
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:07 pm
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GATSU wrote: | Xanas:
Quote: | Can you tell me of any successful lawsuits involving software that defeated the disclaimer? Microsoft hasn't heard of it apparently. |
Um, they just lost against the EU. |
What was this case about? Are you talking about anti-trust litigation or are you talking about the warranty clauses? Please provide a link as I'm kind of unsure what you are referring to here.
If this is in fact a case concerning the no warranty clause I'll need more details than "they lost."
I just did a google search for this "EU won" thing and yeah it's about the anti-trust case. That's a totally different topic.
Even if this were a case about the "no warranty" clause you'd still be off base because you are saying someone could bring a case based on derivative software and not the copy that you released. Microsoft losing in such a case would not even be close to the same thing.
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GATSU
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:21 pm
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Technically, it is similar, because their defective software screws up everyone else's software.
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Xanas
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Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:04 pm
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GATSU wrote: | Technically, it is similar, because their defective software screws up everyone else's software. |
It's kind of hard for me to tell what you mean by this. If by this you are saying because microsoft is a monopoly they screw up everyone elses software then I guess that's sort of true. At least I hate the fact that I have to reboot for some games that I want to play
Oh well.
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