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Samurai-with-glasses



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:31 pm Reply with quote
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Yes, but that wasn't present-day New York, which is why they could get away with it.

And why can't the Dragon Ball movie get away with it too?

Let's compare the two: a movie set in 1860's New York, by all means a relatively realistic setting, versus a movie about fantasy unspecified "Earth" with crazy people in their crazy cartoony costumes...

Films are done at different places than where their settings "should be" all the time. Dragon Ball, well, doesn't even have a "should."

Mind you, I couldn't care less about the movie. Unlike most people, I don't have a particularly strong sense of nostalgia.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:05 pm Reply with quote
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Yes, and most of Vietnam was fought in a jungle,

Wait, some of the most important and bloody battles were fought in the cities in Vietnam. But for whatever reason, movies shouldn't be made about those, because jungle warfare was prevalent. You know, not everyones experience over there was the same as we see in Platoon, Gatsu, jungle or not. Rolling Eyes
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which is why FMJ=fail.

That is some of the most ridiculous reasoning I have heard in a while. Or in other words, if that's why you didn't like Full Metal Jacket, it's some of the most asinine reasons I have heard.

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Look I am skeptical about this movie too. But lets try to be smart about reasons why it would not turn out so well. And location of Mexico isn't one of them, not with this movie, and especially not after you figure in all the CGI that's going to be thrown in. If they choose Alaska, or Oregon it would be different.

Samurai-with-glasses wrote:
Let's compare the two: a movie set in 1860's New York, by all means a relatively realistic setting, versus a movie about fantasy unspecified "Earth" with crazy people in their crazy cartoony costumes...

Don't forget Capsule Corp. is everywhere, and their crazy inventions. As well as circular houses everywhere.
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Bunk



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:48 pm Reply with quote
Those photos make it seem like the actors didn't even bother bulking up. They're friggin' waifs in an orange gi. How can anyone take them seriously when they're portraying Z fighters? Hate that. If they need to look muscular and tough, then how hard is it to work out for the part? My 7-year old has bigger muscles than that Chatwin kid.
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Hon'ya-chan



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:20 pm Reply with quote
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Wow, all this bashing of a movie that isn't even out yet or have trailers out or any real information to base a judgement on aside from an individuals slanted point of view either for or against it. What a surprise as well; GATSU is leading the charge. The crusader against all things American himself, why am I not surprised? If you don't want to see it or don't like it then don't watch it buddy, they're not holding a gun to your head now are they.


It's hard to be objective when Hollywood hasn't had a very good track record of adapting Comic Book/Video Game/Anime properties. While their are a few high points (Spiderman, Fantastic Four) the rest have been pretty much a hit or miss type of deal.

If Hollywood had some sense and did a near faithful adaptation, coupled with some elements to bring in the non-fans, it would be all good. Instead, we get either horribly altered storylines (the second and third Resident Evil movies, The third X-Men Film, etc) or complete bastardizations of the property itself (Street fighter, Super Mario Brothers).

Already, the film is gonna be bad. It's "alleged" that the story takes numerous elements from both DB and DBZ. The main actor who plays Goku is "alleged" to have said that he doesn't need to wear a wig, because his hair is "Spikey" enough. We have (allegedly) set photos that seem to be a mockery of the actual DB storyline. The actors don't look buff enough, i'm getting the implication from one pic that Master Roshi has setup a school for any idiot stupid enough to get his training (Notice the numerous actors/extras with those Orange Gi's in one pic?) etc.
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Keonyn:
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Wow, all this bashing of a movie that isn't even out yet or have trailers out or any real information to base a judgement on aside from an individuals slanted point of view either for or against it. What a surprise as well; GATSU is leading the charge.


I didn't bash it. I just expressed my reasons for why it might not deliver.

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Fans of The Count of Monte Cristo weren't to fond of the anime adaptation, I'm sure you'd find a way to turn that around though since in that case it's an anime.


Gankutsuo wasn't meant to be an authentic adaptation, though.

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You can add Gedo Senki to that as well, which the author of Earthsea herself didn't care for.


Yeah, and it only did half as well as his father's films.

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Adaptations go both ways and if you want to get all upset when it occurs on the opposite side then you're going to have to be consistent and blast it on the anime side as well.


I have, in the case of the recent Phoenix review. Though the Japanese studios at least have the excuse of a smaller budget than American studios.

Samurai:
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And why can't the Dragon Ball movie get away with it too?


DB doesn't just take place in the savanna. It takes place in cities and towns which, if not specifically Japanese, have some sort of Asian theme to them. It's like calling Chinatown Hong Kong. Look what happened when Arias tried to Westernize Tekkon Kinkreet's location. It lost its uniqueness.

Dargon:
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Wait, some of the most important and bloody battles were fought in the cities in Vietnam.


They were still cities still surrounded by jungle. That was not the case with FMJ, which consisted of a bunch of warehouses on an empty lot.

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That is some of the most ridiculous reasoning I have heard in a while. Or in other words, if that's why you didn't like Full Metal Jacket, it's some of the most asinine reasons I have heard.


I also dislike it for Kubrick kissing ass by making it look like we "won" the war at the end.

Bunk: True. If Butler can get in shape, why not them? Of course, I'm guessing they want to use that skinny teen Goku Toriyama drew in-between the bulked-up married adult one....

Honya: I actually like X Men 3; it's History of Violence which I hated.
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Hon'ya-chan



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:35 pm Reply with quote
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Honya: I actually like X Men 3; it's History of Violence which I hated.


Right, cause casting an Asian for Psylocke's role was hard....or getting most of her hair right.

And don't get me started on the "Yellow and Blue" crack in the first X-Men movie.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:50 pm Reply with quote
Keonyn wrote:
Fans of The Count of Monte Cristo weren't to fond of the anime adaptation, I'm sure you'd find a way to turn that around though since in that case it's an anime. You can add Gedo Senki to that as well, which the author of Earthsea herself didn't care for.


Given my user name, I feel compelled to add the Moomins to your list. Tove Jansson hated the cutesy anime adaptations.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:02 pm Reply with quote
The fans are the critics because they love the series so much.

I personally could care less about where it's filmed, or the nationalities of the characters. I'm just praying that they use their budget appropriately. I still wish that they would have taken all their money and done a big budget CGI like Advent Children instead, with lots of cool impossible stunts and explosions. That approach would have done DB more justice.

With other comic-book movie adaptations, like X-men, Transformers, TMNT, etc. I liked those series, but I didn't know them like the back of my hand. I watched them as a kid, but I didn't know all the canon material. It made the movies totally enjoyable to me. I thought they rocked.

The problem with Dragonball for me is that I know the canon material. I own all the manga. I've read it twice. I know useless crap like how Piccolo is a gastropod species, or how innocent little Goku was forced to read Roshi's erotica novels as part of his training. I know that when Tien said his farewells after Cell was defeated, he mentioned that he'd probably never see any of them again. Goku and Radditz shared a mother, but it's insinuated that they had different fathers.

And it's because I know all this that I'm really going to have a hard time just enjoying this movie! The whole time I'll be thinking, "Wait. That's not right. That's now how it goes. Hold on. That characterization is ALL off!"

I wish that Stephen Chow were the director. If he were directing, I don't think he could go wrong.
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Honya:
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Right, cause casting an Asian for Psylocke's role was hard....


She's Filipina. Rolling Eyes
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Hon'ya-chan



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:36 pm Reply with quote
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Honya:
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Right, cause casting an Asian for Psylocke's role was hard....


She's Filipina. Rolling Eyes


Let's ignore that fact that Psylocke in the comics got switched into a Japanese Body.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 1:42 am Reply with quote
Honya: You said Asian, not Japanese. Anyway, she was a place-holder,
not meant to be the final Psylocke, but just included for any possible sequels or spin-offs.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 2:45 am Reply with quote
Remember Mortal Combat? I know this picture already will be cheesy, they are banking on all the fans at least seeing this all at once, also that little kids will see this and buy the DVD. I will not go see this movie, the costumes tell me its cheesy already. There is no way they will waste any more money after this is released, so dont bank on any more movies or trilogy series. This is one film they didn't listen to the fans.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 2:46 am Reply with quote
baisengan wrote:
i don't know what to say about the first photos...


Remember Mortal Combat? I know this movie will already will be cheesy, they are banking on all the fans at least seeing this all at once, also that little kids will see this and buy the DVD. I will not go see this movie, the costumes tell me its cheesy already. There is no way they will waste any more money after this is released, so don't bank on any more movies or trilogy series. This is one film they didn't listen to the fans.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:58 am Reply with quote
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Honya: You said Asian, not Japanese. Anyway, she was a place-holder,
not meant to be the final Psylocke, but just included for any possible sequels or spin-offs.


But they could've done better than casting that Kathoey.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:41 pm Reply with quote
Keonyn wrote:
Fans of The Count of Monte Cristo weren't to fond of the anime adaptation, I'm sure you'd find a way to turn that around though since in that case it's an anime. You can add Gedo Senki to that as well, which the author of Earthsea herself didn't care for. Adaptations go both ways and if you want to get all upset when it occurs on the opposite side then you're going to have to be consistent and blast it on the anime side as well. Not to mention such a quick jump to a conclusion before anything that you could really judge it on is provided is no better than people who assume all anime is porn or Pokemon, and we all know how much you hate them.


Yeah, that's kind of the point with "adaptation." It's a different kind of property, and you're allowed to just ignore it. You know, I enjoyed Dragonball as a kid, but I knew it was stupid and a waste of time. A movie adaptation doesn't bother me.

On another note, The Count of Monte Cristo is one of my favorite novels, and I still like Gankutsuou, because Gankutusuou is a gorgeous anime with a superb story and characters. Is it true to the concept of the original novel? No, not really, turning it into a coming-of-age story and sucking out the dubious religious contexts of the vengeance plot really makes it not work as a story about Monte Cristo, which made me a little sad. Fortunately, Albert, Franz, and Eugenie's story was just as compelling, and I was happy to see a new twist on a classic, even if the lack of empathetic development for Monte Cristo was rather disappointing. (Why DID it end the way it did regarding Edmond, anyway? They should have made it more realistic for the Count.)
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