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Hey, Answerman! [2008-02-15]

will anyone get mad and try to call me out if I don't respond to Steroid or is that OK

Okay well we can agree to disagree or whatever then. I don't really see what you're trying to say here or how it follows/counters my point at all. It is also pretty apparent that this really has no connection to fansubs.

Because of your narrow mindless, I can never buy another ProtoCulture Addicts magazine without VOMITING into it.

Hey Answerman, does it feel nice to manipulate people with your pointless commentaries? Every time you answer a question you have to put in your own little small minded comment in it to try to push people into your point of view. Animenation's John has a lot more class than you are, all you are is the Bill O'Reily of the anime world. You try to make people all uppity and ticked over so-called american values spreading your disease of ignorance and anti-cultural rehorihic to make people think the anime industry is in constant chaos to not upset the "main stream" of thinking. Regular people don't give a crap about anime. If you think that you're going to successfully make the anime industry dance to your whim think again, real anime fans know the quality of difference, they know what it means to enjoy something that people make through their hearts. What you said about series based on hentai sickens me, if that's your idea of getting off without paying attention to the true messages and acts of story then you're not supporting the industry or the differences in culture. You're putting your own views of culture on into it, forcing them down other people's throats and making others think because you're on a soap box you're the one who's automatically right. You talk a lot about supporting western animation and shows but this isn't a western site, this is an anime site. This is a place for people to enjoy anime, a place for people to have insight into the asian culture without having it be mutlated. Because of your narrow mindless, I can never buy another ProtoCulture Addicts magazine without VOMITING into it. I hope you enjoy your future career working for Disney.

Hey Answerman, does it feel nice to manipulate people with your pointless commentaries?

You admit the DMCA is bad, but obviously you aren't boycotting either. So I think it's unfair to expect others to do this. Our reasons for not doing it are similar to yours probably, we don't think it would be effective and we aren't willing to give something up just to make a statement.

Angst

I've had this idea for a fansub killer floating around in my head for a while-- there should be a website, supported by advertising, that lets people watch medium-quality streaming episodes of uncut, subtitled, LEGAL anime from a huge database, constantly updated with new shows just recently aired in Japan. The site would get whatever permission is needed to put these shows on the site, and it would employ the work of volunteers, fans, or maybe a few paid translators/timers/etc. to get the subtitling done. It could have all of those "cool" things fansubbers do, like karaoke songsubs and different colored words for each character's speech, or maybe not.

idiots bleating about how unjust copyright laws are and how everything should be free.

Fallout2man:

Hang on now. I totally agree about the strong arm tactics used by the DMCA. However, your issue should be with them and not copyright law itself. If it is companies using such tactics you want to protest against then by all means don't buy there products. (you should probably do that without just downloading instead though if you want to maintain any sort of nobility). However, it is clearly not copyright law itself that is the issue and thus you are in no way performing "civil disobedience" in response to an unjust law.

Also, I'm not expert on what the original intentions behind these laws were but in this day and age with the amount of value intellectual property can hold, why shouldn't ownership of it bejust the same as that of physical property? Just like a chair or whatever else if a company exerts the effort to create something, why shouldn't they retain ownership and ability to benefit from it until such time they sell the ownership of it? Why shouldn't Disney have a monopoly on Mickey Mouse? They created him and deserve to maintain ownership of him.

Of course it is possible to take copyright to a ridiculous extent. The same is true of any law though. I would hope that courts would make the right choices in these cases. However, if they don't it once again isn't a problem with copyright law itself but a problem with taking that law too far.

Bringing this back to the point: Your claim would seem to be that somehow because some companies and people try and sometimes succeed in taking copyright law too far that makes copyright law unjust and therefore it is okay to break it regardless of the circumstances. The major disconnect is that you're punishing anime companies for things that by your examples other companies have done.

(Key: I'm not sure if you were just expressing your frustration or actually requesting people stop discussing this. I apologize if it was the latter.)

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

rubbrchikin wrote:

I've had this idea for a fansub killer floating around in my head for a while-- there should be a website, supported by advertising, that lets people watch medium-quality streaming episodes of uncut, subtitled, LEGAL anime from a huge database, constantly updated with new shows just recently aired in Japan. The site would get whatever permission is needed to put these shows on the site, and it would employ the work of volunteers, fans, or maybe a few paid translators/timers/etc. to get the subtitling done. It could have all of those "cool" things fansubbers do, like karaoke songsubs and different colored words for each character's speech, or maybe not.

It's a good idea but it won't work if the quality can't match that of fansubs. If a legal solution hopes to replace fansubs it has to be just as good as them it every way.

Fallout2man:

I think we may just disagree fundamentally on this. I don't see any reason why companies shouldn't have control over their intellectual property. I recognize that may go beyond what was originally specified in the constitution. However, I am not of the belief that what is in the constitution is absolute and must never change. Laws need to keep with the times. There are aspects of the law such as the second amendment that I think are outdated and need to be changed. I feel copyright is the same. Intellectual property has vastly changed and evolved especially with the internet. The law may need to change to reflect that. If you disagree with that then we really just hold fundamentally different views on things.