Forum - View topicREVIEW: Fate/Zero Episodes 1-6 Streaming
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Shenl742
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Well, Zac himself gave Kara No Kyoukai pretty high remarks... |
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egoist
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Let's make it the Fate franchise to be more specific. But I agree though, Kara no Kyoukai was pretty good, good enough to make me spend $550.
If I don't see that I won't believe you. Hope there's something in my inbox by the end of the day. 
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PetrifiedJello
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Are you trying to tell us you've not figure out how to use Google to your advantage? For shame, egoist. For shame. Here's a hint: In the search settings, remove the filter, add Japanese to the search language results, and use your imagination in the search text box and add "sex" afterward. Tissues sold separately. |
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Ryvius213
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I agree entirely with the flaws pointed out, but I also feel that they were very exaggerated in the review. For example, I didn't feel there was really that much unnecessary technical talk between Saber and Lancer, when in reality only a few lines were actually said and most of it was just Saber thinking to herself. It's a different way to approach fight scenes and may not be everyone's cup of tea, but I like it. The same goes for the exposition-heavy dialogue.
It seems like the type of story that tries to give a lot of scattered information early on and put them together as the series progresses. Again, not a very conventional way of doing things. Rather than have everything paced predictably, Fate/Zero, at least so far, appears to be the type of series that tries to set up everything from the start and then have it all come together in the end. If that was the case, then Carlo's opinion of the series will probably change as it progresses. I wouldn't blame the reviewer for not liking it, but I wouldn't say that justifies a D, either. |
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Jedi Master
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Nerd baiting - works like a charm! I actually disagree with the review but didn't bother mentioning it earlier in the thread since I didn't see the point. I'll just acknowledge that the reviewer's tastes do not match mine and move on with the knowledge that I should avoid any other reviews he writes. |
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Tanteikingdomkey
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OMG you're right it's a trap
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MaxSouth
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The mark D says that this show, the first six episodes, looks like worst among all reviewed this and last year.
Though the criticisms are correct, the marks are inadequate (though it is typical for Carlo, given his natural role of "evil" reviewer). |
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Etrien
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While I don't agree with the scores, I wasn't actually planning on replying to any of this until the referencing to the US mathematical scoring system came up.
If this was indeed the case for the reviews on this site, I have to agree that there should be far, far more reviews with D and F scores. Plus, a percentage of what? How much the reviewer is enjoying said trait of said show? So, by that logic... "I'm enjoying about 2/3rds of everything in this show! I spend about two out of every three minutes quite entertained! A D it is!" That's just ridiculous. By that measure, to even get a "D", something must be statistically above average. This is, of course, just an assumption, but it feels clear to me that the average review on ANN - including those in the preview guides (which I quite enjoy, I'll add) - are not based on the same percentage scale that I quoted. They seem based more around the other way the A-F scale is often used in America: F - Terrible D - Below Average (Bad) C - Average (Mediocre) B - Above Average (Good) A - Excellent The general opinion seems to be that a C is the standard mid-line for things - average, unremarkable, a mixture of good and bad. I agree with the earlier sentiment that if a reviewer feels a show does something great half the time and only average the other half, that would be indicative of a B. Likewise, then, an interpretation of D would be something being bad half the time and only mediocre the other half. I'm not going to jump all over Carlo for his scores because to each their own. However, I do agree with the general sentiment in this thread that his scores seem incongruent with his actual review. I've gotten the impression from his posts that he probably holds a personal bias towards the story outside of its merits, though whether it's because it's Type-Moon, Visual Novel connected, overly-hyped or whatever, I have no clue. (And I'm not particularly scrutinizing this - I'm no Type-Moon supporter and I certainly have biases of my own.) But, at the very least, I think it should be easy enough to recognize why the scores managed to raise so many eyebrows, even from those who don't necessarily love the show or aren't Type-Moon fans. Afterall, that D in story means its story is worse than the average show. I know Carlo consumes a fair amount of media and therefore should be plenty aware of what "the average show" is like, and so, I mean... really...??? Edit: Added two sentences to the end. Last edited by Etrien on Sun Nov 13, 2011 12:28 am; edited 1 time in total |
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dtm42
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That was an excellent post Etrien, very well written. I especially agree with this:
I use a very similar system myself, hence my natural confusion as to why some pretty mediocre shows have been getting C grades if a 'C' is supposed to mean 70-79%. |
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Zac
ANN Executive Editor
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This is exactly how you'd interpret the numbers I gave earlier. Our reviews work on this scale. I get the point you're making but it's pedantic and this isn't really very difficult to figure out whatsoever. The grading system we use is extremely simple. At this point I'm just glad you guys don't respond to review scores the same way gamers do. Yeesh. |
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MaxSouth
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But do not you agree that marks are pedantic concept in principle?
So how can we not be pedantic when we discuss the scale? And if there is no need for "pedantism", why use the grades system at all? If there is no wish to follow actual grade and, as you say, the same mark by the same reviewer could mean different level of badness or goodness depending on "context", then what is sense of this system? Why then not get back to earlier times, when reviews did not have ABCD(E)F marks, only "+", and "-"? |
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Cecilthedarkknight_234
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It's just the same as the 1-5 scale. I am gamer myself zac and reading some game reviews comments make me want to punch fanboys...aye |
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Strife212
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Music C?
Music C? |
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gwdone
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I loved Fate/Stay except for the ending. My whole problem is the price taggery that Aniplex is bombing hardcore fans with.
Believe me I'm all about owning versus streaming, or shall I say "buffering". And love the packages with all the extras, but goodness $300+ for any series is really out of line. I get flashbacks of my desires for Garden of Sinners and the reality of my finances and my utter hatred of a streaming anything. If I'm going to pay, I'm going to own. Advertisement free of course! |
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