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Hey, Answerman! [2008-03-14]

Dargonxtc wrote:

Psycho 101 wrote: It might just be me but I think the OP listing in the thread is getting excessive. I know it was a question to Zac but seriously these constant lists of OP's are getting a bit excessive I think. Perhaps I'm just a cranky SOB. I don't know, I think anything that isn't "industry vs. just about everything/anything else" talk is a welcome change. But don't worry I am with you on the cranky part.

Yea well we all knew that anyway so no big surprise right? Guess I should take my place next to daxomni in a rocking chair heh.

Xanas wrote:

I disagree that the middle of the road fans aren't vocal. I am vocal, ikillchicken is vocal.

I'm pretty sure Zac is talking about anime fandom in general, not a few specific threads in a forum.

ikillchicken wrote:

Now, you're just arguing over semantics.

No I'm not, and saying so is just one of your typical blanket dismissals of a post that contradicts you. I can't deny, however, that a position that says "[term] does not apply, what's really happening is [behavior described by term]" certainly introduces semantic concerns.

Actually, I'm quite familiar with a rather large group comprised of people that by and large tend to think exactly that, express it freely and vehemently, and consistently act on it.

Be that as it may, whatever you thought your point was, what you were saying was that the term 'sense of entitlement' didn't apply to the majority of people who support copyright infringement via illegal downloading. That was patently false. There isn't a single argument in favor of such activity that doesn't have a "here is where the sense of entitlement kicks in" element to it.

Sorry, I forgot that we aren't allowed to dismiss a points as semantics despite the fact that even the poster admits they are semantics. What ever was I thinking?

No, that wasn't really what I was saying. I guess by choosing to put an extreme amount of emphasis on how I worded it you can interpret it that way though so whatever. If it makes you happy I admit you're technically right. However, I still stand by that they don't feel "entitled" in the traditional sense.

I just don't see how it matters.

Fresh baked Niea_7 Opening right here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHbSXOrmOoQ

The only real solution I can think of is for the anime companies to set up paid subscription services where, for a reasonable fee, fans can download their choice of shows. If they are limited in what they can watch they will find it elsewhere for free. If the fees are too outrageous they will find it elsewhere for free. A balance would need to be found wherein the company will still make a profit without alienating a fickle consumer base. Granted, there are still problems with the execution of this plan, but I can't think of anything more viable that would actually work. These companies have to compete with fansubbers who (generally) offer a comparable product at absolutely NO cost, with no wait time. They have to substantially close the gap between what their competition is offering and what THEY are offering. In short, they need to offer a multitude of cheap downloads within a much shorter time frame that are easily accessible and of comparable quality or they will lose to those who are already delivering this.

Why can't licensing companies just smash down people's doors and fine fansubbers into the ground?

I don't necessarily disagree with what you're saying but I do think that some of the people watching streaming fansubs/downloading fansubs are simply lazy and make up excuses as to why they don't pay for a product. They don't find the discounts, they don't find this site, they just lurk around and get the morsels of info about different series from whatever forums they lurk around. For people like that, I'm sure some of them would still continue to watch fansubs for free, possibly almost all of them, while some people would spend the money and get a subscription to a legit service.

It will be interesting to see if the people who consume fansubs will actually pay to view stuff no matter how cheap.