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NEWS: Blade of the Immortal TV Anime Confirmed for Summer


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Kyaa the Catlord



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:00 am Reply with quote
Westlo wrote:
Kyaa the Catlord wrote:
And to you Bee Train nay-sayers, do better than them... I dares ya.


Going by your logic NBA fans shouldn't criticize Kwame Brown for being one of the worst #1 draft picks in NBA History because we can't play better than him? I call a spade a spade and Bee Train [expletive] suck.


Someone must find their work to be valuable or else they wouldn't continue producing anime. Profit is what matters, not the opinion of the nameless masses of fanboys.
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TJM



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:49 am Reply with quote
Wow blade of the immortal is my favorite manga and.. i think it definitely deserves better than bee train, they must be one of the worst studios in the industry holy shit.

It should have stayed a Manga, Blade of the immortal doesn't need an Anime, specially not from a crappy studio like Bee Train.
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enoah ballard



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:15 pm Reply with quote
Kyaa the Catlord wrote:
enoah ballard wrote:


Kyaa the Catlord wrote:
And to you Bee Train nay-sayers, do better than them... I dares ya.

Are all film critics professional directors? No.

Newsflash: You aren't film critics.

Well observed. That's why it's called an analogy. Any other shocking revelations you have to drop on us?


UtenaAnthy wrote:
The studio don't concern me, the actual people working on the project make it good or bad, so I'm not sure what to make of this. Maybe Koichi Mashimo will do a good job, maybe not. What director would others have liked to see picked for the project? I thought Yoshiaki Kawajiri for a second, they actually might have been a good choice but I don't know. Maybe Tsuneo Kobayashi (The Twelve Kingdoms), Kazuhiro Furuhashi (Samurai X: Trust and Betrayal) or Hirotsugu HAMAZAKI (Texhnolyze, Shigurui). They all have experience directing historical drama, Kawajiri might manage to make something as good as X TV out of this, another quality adaptation zie did. I'd also quite like to see some animation from Shinya Ohira, who might actually manage to adapt the style of the manga quite well as they move the lines around a lot. I'm tempted to say that Shichiro Kobayashi would make a great art director, but then I love everything they do and don't know the names of many art directors, still they tend to make everything look sketchy and painterly. Getting Seiichi Hayashi, Eiichi Yamamoto and Gisaburô Sugii involved in some way would be wonderful.


I'd be over the moon if Yoshiaki Kawajiri were directing this. I can't think of a better candidate.
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hikaru004



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My vote is for Hirotsugu Hamazaki (Shigurui and Texhnolyze). Artistic and realistic interpretation of violence is a must here. Telling a great story is also a must. He did both imo.

And for the studio : BONES or Madhouse or Production I.G. The studio is also an important component imo.

Look here for a sample of BotI anime.
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8JF



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:23 pm Reply with quote
Westlo wrote:
Please look up what animation means, here's a hint it's not stills.
Kanashimi no Belladonna springs to mind as an animation that is what you claim it's not. Stills and pans can create the illusion of motion.

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Going by your logic NBA fans shouldn't criticize Kwame Brown for being one of the worst #1 draft picks in NBA History because we can't play better than him?

That's an opinion formed upon the results long after the decision was made.

The criticism here has nothing to do with the results as they don't exist yet. This whole thread has become vaguely similar in tone to the announcement of the animated Batman shorts being released this summer.

enoah ballard wrote:
Are all film critics professional directors? No.
Reputation and name attached to the opinion carry emphasis and weight. Pseudonyms or unknown persons on internet forums lack these qualities.
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Have some standards man.

Zac had this to say about Noir DVD 2:
"The animation is smooth and fluid in most spots, and although there's a lot of obvious shortcuts; shortcust such as characters conveniently lifting their guns to cover their mouths before they speak." Animation: A

Theron Martin said this about Madlax DVD 2:
"Sound and animation are also both very well-done, with minor uses of CG effects to spruce up a couple of scenes." Animation : B+
For DVDs 6-7 he said this:
"Animation is good, especially in its shortcut-free action scenes and when focusing on facial expressions." Animation B+

I'm in agreement with these two, let's leave it at that.

Kyaa wrote:
Someone must find their [Bee Train] work to be valuable or else they wouldn't continue producing anime.
That would be the rights holder to BotI. Is this the Mangaka in this case?
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UtenaAnthy



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 6:07 pm Reply with quote
To clarify, I am looking forward to this adaptation, I like Koichi Mashimo, even if I didn't I wouldn't presume that this couldn't be something better than their previous work, I was a little worried about Spice and Wolf being directed by someone who's previous industry experience was all porn, but that turned out great (well the first episode was great, I haven't seen the rest). The character designs are beautiful, that's a good start.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 6:49 pm Reply with quote
Kyaa the Catlord wrote:
ikillchicken wrote:
Isn't it a little odd for a Manga to receive an anime adaptation after this long? I mean, it's been going since 1994 I believe. Why now? Anyway, I'm not all that familiar with Bee Train. The only thing of theirs I've seen is Noir. I don't remember any animation problems but that may have been because I was focused on how bad it was overall. I guess there's no harm here though. Worst case scenario it totally sucks. Since at this point it seemed like there wouldn't be an anime adaptation anyway so the way I look at it nothing is really lost so what can it hurt to try?


Hell, Dragonball is getting a live action American theatrical film and it started in 1984.

Romeo x Juliet is based off a classic Shakespearean work which is much older.


Thats vastly different. Anime to North American live action adaptations are very rare (especially relative to manga to anime adaptations which are very very common) and are fundamentally different in numerous ways. Work based on classical work is even further away. It's not even an actual adaptation in the modern sense since it isn't a current work being transfered to another medium. It is much closer to a brand new work being created.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:33 pm Reply with quote
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Zac had this to say about Noir DVD 2:
"The animation is smooth and fluid in most spots, and although there's a lot of obvious shortcuts; shortcust such as characters conveniently lifting their guns to cover their mouths before they speak." Animation: A

Theron Martin said this about Madlax DVD 2:
"Sound and animation are also both very well-done, with minor uses of CG effects to spruce up a couple of scenes." Animation : B+
For DVDs 6-7 he said this:
"Animation is good, especially in its shortcut-free action scenes and when focusing on facial expressions." Animation B+

I'm in agreement with these two, let's leave it at that.


I can't speak for others, but what bothers me is the art-style of just about everything I've seen from the studio, which is rather bland. Samura has some of the most unique and distinctive art out there. I can't imagine any animation studio would be able to perfectly capture it with the kind of budget they're going to have (after all, BotI isn't a Fullmetal Alchemist-type property) but I imagine there are more suitable choices for the task than Bee Train. But I would welcome being proven wrong.
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thecactusman17



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:28 pm Reply with quote
After looking through some of the "best" fights out of Noir, my hopes are dashed. If Noir is Bee Train's best original "action" anime, then BOTI is in for a rough treatment.

Now, if they animated it as well as they did Murder Princess (and I mean only the animation) then I could possibly acknowledge its existence. But I suspect that come release, I will be very happy to continue reading my mangas and ignore it completely.

BTW: to all the "well why don't you do better" people on this thread: Just because I can't do Olympic level gymnastics doesn't mean I can't point out the utter failure of this.

And just think, you got to watch that for free.

(edit)--Looking at the new promo shot, the character designs are nice and clean. But it doesn't look liable to be real animation stills--there are a lot of issues with the shading that make me suspect that this is just a promo shot and nothing more, a target render if you will.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:46 am Reply with quote
Has anyone seen this? There's some glare over the image, but it provides a slightly clearer look at a few of the character designs. Personally, I'd have to say I'm pretty well impressed.

I've never seen any Bee Train series (I have extremely selective tastes, and they just haven't produced anything that has looked appealing to me), but I'm cautiously optimistic at present that they'll turn out a good series. Of course, in a perfect world, this series would be handled by Studio 4ºC, Manglobe, or Production I.G., but I tend to think that Samura Hiroaki would not have been likely to sell the rights to his magnum opus unless he trusted the studio executives to whom he was selling them.

On the other hand, I'm not even sure that Blade of the Immortal should be animated at all, since, as so many others have already pointed out, the art style in the manga is so rich and distinct. Someone else brought up Mushi-Shi (my all-time favourite TV anime), which is, I think, a valid point of reference. In that case, the anime adaptation was (arguably) superior to the original manga on which it was based. We certainly won't see anything that stellar in this case, but I feel that there is, at least, reason to hope for a solid production that does some sort of justice to the original work.

One of my main concerns at this point is the projected length of the series—I'm eager to find out what it is. The standard 26 episodes won't allow them to cover much ground in the grand scheme of things, and this series deserves plenty of breathing room.

Time will tell, I suppose.
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