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Zac
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Are you really trying to say that it's a "shame" that people donate money to their preferred candidate and gets spent on important things like elections and not on licensing Nymphet? I'm going to go vomit now. |
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Case
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Are you really trying to say that it's a "shame" that people want to band together to license an anime instead of forking it out to some smugly grinning politician so they can buy a couple of tidewater mansions and bring us another Patriot Act?
I'm going to go vomit now. |
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Mohawk52
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Dorcas_Aurelia
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Um, actually there has, it's just none of the 10-year olds. spoiler[Aki and Reiji. It's in both the manga and the anime. And I think it's implied that Reiji was still in high school when they started having sex.] Oddly enough, that's the episode (number 6) I'd try to show people in order to convince them the series has redeeming value. Saddest use of 1000 paper cranes ever. |
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Zac
ANN Executive Editor
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Yes all politicians and everyone involved in politics is a corrupt scumbag Thank you for this fresh and completely accurate take on America Case, truly your world-weary wisdom will light the way for all of us |
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Case
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And a hearty thanks to you Zac, for being my role model.
I wouldn't be who I am today without your inspiring ability to tout the merits of American politics while simultaneously vomiting over other people's opinions of anime/manga. 
Also, your unwavering resolve to talk down to people, like you're the benevolent judge of what's wise and not. =D |
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Zac
ANN Executive Editor
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Seriously, do you ever get tired of following me around on the forums and taking little potshots at me, insulting me, or arguing with virtually everything I say? If you're just here to be a pain in my ass I'm happy to remove you for obvious trolling.
Pot Kettle Black |
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Raelanura
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Okay, I'm just going to give a little advice to the people who haven't read/seen Kodomo no Jikan but now find themselves a bit curious about it. First of all, you will hear a lot of people putting it down as nothing but pedo material, but most of them are just people that have jumped on the anti-loli bandwagon and haven't actually read/seen Kodomo no Jikan, thus have no basis to a single thing they say. Furthermore, the people who are familiar with it and continue to put it down are just trying to incriminate the series and its fans. Let me tell you something about people in general (although I'm not portraying this as universal fact, since that would include me): when they hate something, they tend to go out of their way to make everybody hate it.
If you were to take a close look at whatever anime and manga these people have in their collections or top 10s or whatever, I guarantee you'll find at least a small handful of titles that someone out there could bitch about somehow. If all you do is emphasise a series' more negative or controversial points, you could make just about any series look bad. For example, if I were to tell someone who didn't know any better that Ah! My Goddess was all about a man who made a wish that forced an innocent woman to stay in his life forever whether she liked it or not, I could make them hate it before they've even gotten a chance to know what it's really like (on a side note, I love Ah! My Goddess, so I'm not picking on it at all  ).
Bottom line: see/read it for yourself, and come to your own conclusions. I don't defend the series just because I like it: I defend the series because it gets treated unfairly. |
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Goodpenguin
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Raelanura wrote:
The issue is (and I say this conversationally, and not to put anyone on the defensive) that like most defenders of the title you haven't really offered a 'defense'. Generally you've offered what could be defined as a rather libertine 'moral equivalence', that essentially states anything that can potentially cause offense is all the same, so pay no mind to this. Beyond that mention is usually made to supposed 'dramatic elements' that 'give context' to all the elementary-school T&A, which is much like someone voraciously watching the NCAA tournament stating they don't actually care at all for basketball, they just enjoy watching 40 minutes of shiny wooden floors. Or in other words, bull-plop. When the brouhaha first started, I took a look at the scans of said material to judge for myself, and it was filled with by-the-numbers sex/ecchi comedy material, down to the inclusion of risque 'splash panel' pages. This was not a serious, dramatic series dealing with a child's development, it was standard ecchi action with the usual, occasional dramatic subplot, the only notably difference is it featured girls of elementary age. The snippets of anime I've seen were tamer, but along the same lines. Calling this of child-fetish interests isn't "just trying to incriminate the series and its fans" any more than stating 'fire is hot' is of controversial sentiment, it's simply stating a fact based on observation. I'm willing to bet virtually no one who champions this title in this forum would do so publicly to family and friends, and that usually will tell you something. |
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Case
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Hey Goodpenguin, I seem to remember you calling someone out on a strawman argument in, I think it was the Vu Nguyen discussion thread? I'd like to do the same here if I may. Forget about the wood floors. (Haha.) A person such as myself who isn't a big fan of spectator sports could easily pigeonhole someone "voraciously watching the NCAA tournament" as a dumb jock lacking the intellectual capacity to enjoy more interactive and challenging forms of entertainment, like chess or anime or what-have-you. Probably true in some cases, right? Could I call this "a fact based on observation?" I can't speak for everyone obviously, but I think there are enough people commenting positively about the series in this very thread that they deserve to be taken at their word. I don't think it is at all fair to conclude that "most defenders of the title you haven't really offered a defense". I can accept that people be genuinely engrossed in watching the teamwork and competitiveness of college basketball, even if I think it's boring; isn't it only fair to accept that the anime fans speaking up in favor of KnJ are genuinely engrossed by the comedy and plot they're trying to describe, rather than necessarily being all closet pedophiles...? |
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Mohawk52
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Goodpenguin
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Case wrote:
? I'm not sure where to go with this because it takes a pretty scatter-shot understanding of my point. What you label as a 'strawman' isn't an argument against the poster (which generally precludes a 'strawman argument'), but an observation to the lines of reasoning I've generally seen on this issue in this past. My NCAA comparison doesn't have anything to do with pedophilia/pigeonholing (which I specifically avoided outside of a tame reference to child-fetish), it contrasts people claiming this to be a serious drama rather than primarily an ecchi-based vehicle which heavily relies on underage shenanigans. You make a comment related to making assumptions about the viewers of basketball, but my point wasn't about the viewers of the title, but evaluating the material itself, which is not a shifting variable. You then challenge my assertion that theres more emotional defensiveness then solidly argued logical defenses...by being generally defensive. What I stated wasn't aimed at calling fans of 'KnJ' anything, I countered the assumption that the series was substantially more than a standard ecchi-romp with underage gals as it's 'catch', based on myself actually observing/reading the material. And if a person wishes to rebut that, by logic they have to base their arguments on specifics from the material, not general cries of having one's honor besmirched, saying 'no it's not', or pointing out that because other forum-goers enjoy it it must be true. |
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tissuebubble
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It will never be brought over so no real use whining about it. If you like it download it off the internet. Not like they would have a good dub on it anyway. Rip it to DVD using windows DVD maker or something and be good. I mean, seriously, if you like it good for you. But don't expect a corporation to take the chance for something that I guarantee won't sell well here.
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tissuebubble
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Hell I wouldn't! I don't actually like KnJ because I don't like ecchi in general (it is just porn without any real "stuff") but I'd be dead before I would not let other people watch it. I've even offered to host a fansite fore someone but so far that hasn't gone anywhere. It is legal and so people should be permitted to enjoy it. Last edited by tissuebubble on Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:04 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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dtm42
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Let us go back to where I felt the true fallacy lay:
The fact of the matter is, you are arguing that we should ignore anyone who hates this Anime. If they haven't read it, they are ignorant (which itself ignores the "problem" of people viewing what they find are disturbing scans, which other concerned people have posted or linked to). And if they have read it, then they are just haters, with no allowance of people genuinely finding a title disturbing. And I do not want to be snarky, but those people who are attacking the series do so because they feel it has been treated with too much leniency. Even in a liberal society such as our own, I would like to think that there are still lines which we cannot cross. Ah, what the heck. Not like anyone will listen. Or if they do, they won't care. Still, I got my day's chore of moralising out of the way. Ta. |
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