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NEWS: Bandai Entertainment Adds Ghost in the Shell: Innocence

I too don't understand why they'd redo the dub,

But "pretentious" is for something which jerks you around and manipulates you, while trying to pretend it's deep. [See the movie version of V for Vendetta.]

Okay, let me sum it up for you folks, since you seemed rather confused.

The UK/AUS DVD features a dub done by Epcar Entertainment. It uses the same voice actors from the TV series and Solid State Society, but the script and direction were done by Richard Epcar, based on a translation by Yurika Dennis.

This new dub will be handled by Animaze/ZRO Limit, which handled the production of the TV series and Solid State Society, and will feature the return of the principal cast (Epcar, McGlynn, Freeman, Knight, etc.). There will likely be some cast changes for other characters such as Kim and Haraway. Judging by the previous productions, the direction will be done by Kevin Seymour and the script by Mary Claypool, based off a translation by David Fleming.

"Artsy" is fine; I'll even take "pointless". But "pretentious" is for something which jerks you around and manipulates you, while trying to pretend it's deep. [See the movie version of V for Vendetta.] Innocence simply looks into the world of the last film, no more, no less.

Perhaps if Oshii had bothered to introduce some concepts that weren't thoroughly discussed in the first Ghost in the Shell (or at least something that hadn't been visited in countless other sci-fi thinkpieces over the past 10 years), Innocence might have felt a little fresher.

'Innocence' is like a concentrated reduction of the first film;

You can appreciate what Mamoru Oshii was after, but it's almost like he picked a handful of various philosophy that appealed to him and forced it raw, lock, stock, and barrel, into the narrative.

It's really missing that 'woven into the story' quality that kept the first movie from weighing itself down.

Perhaps if Oshii had bothered to introduce some concepts that weren't thoroughly discussed in the first Ghost in the Shell (or at least something that hadn't been visited in countless other sci-fi thinkpieces over the past 10 years), Innocence might have felt a little fresher.

ikillchicken: You don't have to be a genius or have great taste to not like Innocence, but you probably have to come up with a better description of the film than "pretentious". "Artsy" is fine; I'll even take "pointless". But "pretentious" is for something which jerks you around and manipulates you, while trying to pretend it's deep. [See the movie version of V for Vendetta.] Innocence simply looks into the world of the last film, no more, no less.

The UK dub was the same people that dubbed the original movie and the GitS TV series.

Lackshmana wrote:

The UK dub was the same people that dubbed the original movie and the GitS TV series.

The UK dub has the same cast as the TV series. The dub cast for the original movie and the GitS TV series are different.

Illegal organ-harvesting and manufacturing is an "old" sci-fi concept? And the Shinto view of an inanimate figure versus a living thing is also yesterday's news? That's news to me.

It's a sequel. What did you expect?

And that differs from the manga, because...?

That's probably because the first movie was meant to expand the setting, while this one is supposed to provide insight into the characters.