Forum - View topicNEWS: Bandai Entertainment Adds Ghost in the Shell: Innocence
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GATSU
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Hellkorn:
Yeah, he just went into a long-winded commentary which had nothing to do with the series or setting of the film. 
Well, it looks like someone here hasn't read the footnotes...
It's fairly simple why Oshii uses that approach. It's because Batou's an old-timer who clings to the past, rather than deal with the present.
What Alan Moore work isn't pretentious? "Har-har, I'll make fun of the stupidity inherent in comics by writing my own comics which rely on the same cliches, but have people dying unexpectedly, because that never happens." But a pastiche isn't inherently awful in itself. It's simply a matter of how well it fits into the story. (See Millennium Actress.)
A story doesn't need subtext. It needs direction. Subtext is for people who think everything has to be deep to be satisfying. |
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ikillchicken
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dewlwieldthedarpachief:
Nobody is saying it shouldn't be released. I'm happy for those who like Innocence. If they like it then it's great that they're going to have the option to buy it especially on Bluray. What a lot of people are saying is just that they don't like it. |
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HellKorn
Posts: 1669 Location: Columbus, OH |
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I'm just going to reply to one thing since Gatsu seems content with his usual one-liner nonsense crap that practically everyone but him agrees with.
Wow, talk about missing the point. The subtext that comes with pastiche is that, unless you are familiar with whatever the reference is, you cannot fully appreciate what is being shown within the story, if anything at all. Millennium Actress and Watchmen and From Hell work because they actually bother with creating believable characters and crafting themes that can be universally understood. They don't need context borrowed from centuries old philosophers and obscure pop culture references to make them meaningful. And they don't throw the "show, don't tell" rule in graphic storytelling into the freaking dumpster and burn it. |
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GATSU
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Hellkorn:
I'd imagine Alan Moore would ask for your head on a platter, if he heard you saying his work was "easily understood". So no, these characters are not universal. You have to have a common historical framework to understand what makes them tick. And even when that's not the case, they still are not your run-of-the-mill protagonists and antagonists you see in typical Hollywood fare.
Yes, they just need context from movies and comics dating back a century.
Yes, because we know exactly what's happened to Kusanagi since the last film, what she's up to next, and whether Batou really resolves his personal issues with her.
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HellKorn
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Setting is NOT the same as pastiche. So if a person isn't familiar with post-war Japan, Cold War America and Victorian England, they'll be retarded in picking up points that the creators are trying to illustrate? Bull. If a person cannot pick up themes of corruption, conspiracy theory, paranoia, mob frenzy, gradual ethical decay, male sexual dominance, etc. then they shouldn't be reading/watching fiction, period. Whatever; this has gone off-topic, and yet again arguing with you only brings us back to where we started. I'm done. |
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jr240483
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i never knew it was realeased with subs in theaters.I'm glad i didn't went after all.At least there's a dub version now.Hopefully they use the same people from SAC which will be a good thing.
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varmintx
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It's listed for Jan. 13 at Amazon for $30; no real tech specs yet.
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AirCooledMan_2006
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Finally, about damn time R1 got an English dub for Innocence! What the hell was Dreamworks thinking to not put a dub on it? Were they TRYING to alienate potential fans?
A lesson to any R1 company that licenses anime: Do it right the first time or DON'T DO IT AT ALL. |
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