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NEWS: Restrictions Lifted on Maine Man Arrested for Explicit 'Anime'


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R315r4z0r



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 6:54 pm Reply with quote
Most child pornography laws are unconstitutional. First of all anime children aren't real, they are drawings, and as such there should not be any law that even remotely allows anyone to be arrested under the pretense of owning "child" anime porn.

Secondly, even child pornography with REAL children should not be enough to allow for the arrest of someone in possession of it.

The only time someone should ever be arrested for being involved with child pornography is if they are proven to be DIRECTLY involved with the creation of the material.

If you did not hurt anyone, then you are in no position for the law to come down on you. The reason why the law exists is to protect people who obey it while removing those who threaten the peaceful. Therefore, someone who isn't threatening the peace has no place in jail. Doing so is a waste of taxpayer's money and a waste of police time.

I don't like child pornography. I think it is detestable. But I like the [theoretical] workings of the US more than I hate those who do or are involved with things that are "obscene." You have to make some moral sacrifices if you want the US to remain a country that stands by its original intentions of being free.
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JuicyB



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 7:01 pm Reply with quote
Kinda scary to think you could get arrested for looking at hentai. I wonder what site he had an account with that got the authority's attention. What if it was something like gelbooru or sankaku complex?
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Etrien



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 7:21 pm Reply with quote
AlanMintaka wrote:
The characters in such series keep referring to "Middle School" when they talk of themselves as students. But that age range would be 14-16 if I've figured the Japanese school system right.

Japanese Middle School is ages 12-15.

JuicyB wrote:
Kinda scary to think you could get arrested for looking at hentai. I wonder what site he had an account with that got the authority's attention. What if it was something like gelbooru or sankaku complex?

The article said "linked him to a screen name used on sites that contain child pornography", which I take to mean real child pornography.
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Gilles Poitras



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 7:23 pm Reply with quote
One thing to remember on the use of the term lolicon in relation to erotica is that in Japan the term lolicon refers to a sexual interest in persons or characters under 18.

For child porn laws in the US it also refers to explicit works with persons under 18.

So when the terms "under-aged characters" or "children" is used we really don't know the specific age range they are talking about unless they get very specific by stating the show involved etc.

Hopefully this is all we hear of this case.
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Anymouse



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:24 pm Reply with quote
What worries me is the Hypocrisy of this all.

Many argue that sex educators can freely distribute condoms and argue for a right to an abortion. Those are widely supported views in New England today.

This man may not have touched the hair on a single child's head but he is being targeted.

He has not committed a single action yet he is being called the near equivalent of a rapist. Those who do encourage extramarital sex acts are considered great and heroic people.

The disconnect is obvious.
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Melanchthon



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:26 pm Reply with quote
Now, am I told the correct thing for internet trolls to do in this situation is claim a GED in law and spew a poor spelled rant on to the page. Unfortunately, my understanding of constitutional law is limited to reading libertarian blogs (I love libertarianism. It's anarchy for rich people), but I believe that drawn images are constitutionally protected, under the 1st Amendment. In any case, people, stop leaving your porn out in the open. There is plenty of free encryption software out there, and then you don't have to worry about potential partners, relatives, or police finding it.

DrizzlingEnthalpy wrote:
This makes it seem like "anime" means "animation depicting children in sexual situations". Way to go, Bangor Daily News.


Wait, it's not?

AlanMintaka wrote:
I rented a copy of Konokan recently, thinking it was the usual harem anime. When I saw the male protagonist in the series, I got rid of the DVD fast. The characters were supposed to be the usual middle school cast, and they kept repeating that the kid was the same age they were.

But this kid was drawn and voiced like he was a lot younger than that. Essentially, he was depicted as just a little underage kid and being aggressively, sexually pursued by two of the much older looking female characters.


Technically, Kanokon is shota, not loli. You see, shota is boys, loli is girls. And you would be advised to stay away from people that like to expound on the difference between shota and loli, cause those people probably have all sorts of weird stuff stored in encrypted folders.
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Failachu



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:33 pm Reply with quote
JuicyB wrote:
Kinda scary to think you could get arrested for looking at hentai. I wonder what site he had an account with that got the authority's attention. What if it was something like gelbooru or sankaku complex?


Considering that Gelbooru can easily be found through Google. Has been linked on 4chan on a near infinite amount of occasions. And is hosted on a server in Chicago? No, I don't think it's quite that simple. And you can't tell me that Gelbooru hasn't received complaints before as it contains some truly nasty stuff.

This is going to be the last we hear of this, since this case would be ripped apart at Appeals.
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Mushi-Man



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:26 pm Reply with quote
So I get why they would restrict his contact with children, but why the internet? I mean, that's like if they arrested some guy for buying drugs on a street corner and then restricted his access to streets and sidewalks, it just doesn't make sense to me.
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cleverasinine



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:34 pm Reply with quote
I'm out of my element here since I know nothing about what federal/state laws state, but this quote bothers me:

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"None of us would be here if we were talking about a couple of images."


What difference does it make if he had 2 images or 2,000 images? In the eyes of the law, it's either all okay or none of it is, right?
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Mr. sickVisionz



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:43 pm Reply with quote
SMH @ an employee of a school district having child porn cartoons.

R315r4z0r wrote:
Secondly, even child pornography with REAL children should not be enough to allow for the arrest of someone in possession of it.


Wait, what?

R315r4z0r wrote:

You have to make some moral sacrifices if you want the US to remain a country that stands by its original intentions of being free.

This always irks me. The US was never designed to be some no man's land of anarchy where any and everything is deemed ok and every horrendous act gets the thumbs up. I think people have a gross misconception of the constitution if they believe that's what the document boils down to. I mean, you seriously think that the founding father's died so that 6 year-olds could be sodomized on camera and have the footage sold and traded with no legal repercussions?
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RiskyTheShinigami



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:59 pm Reply with quote
Mr. sickVisionz wrote:
I mean, you seriously think that the founding father's died so that 6 year-olds could be sodomized on camera and have the footage sold and traded with no legal repercussions?


To argue semantics, the founding fathers died because they got old and died.

But your sentiment stands.
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Anymouse



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:14 pm Reply with quote
It is indeed a good point.

Actively inciting harm on small children by trading in photographs of their abuse immoral.
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Cecilthedarkknight_234



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:05 am Reply with quote
oh boy i better delete those doujins of ore no imouto or ccs off of my external then.. oh wait.. I don't care. Another stupid case with nothing else better to do, blah blah blah, on the other hand why the hell would you download or look at "loli porn/shota porn" at work?? They do monitor what you look at after all...or is this some sort of voyeurism for him?
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tuxedocat



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:26 am Reply with quote
Didn't the article state that he had visited actual child porn sites?

I guess he forgot to clear his browsing history... Confused

I think that the feds would be more interested in that than the art images from the manga or anime.
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Daemonblue



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 2:00 am Reply with quote
Mr. sickVisionz wrote:
SMH @ an employee of a school district having child porn cartoons.

R315r4z0r wrote:
Secondly, even child pornography with REAL children should not be enough to allow for the arrest of someone in possession of it.


Wait, what?


I kinda agree with him on the simple possession thing. With the way the laws are, someone could plant CP on your computer and then alert the police to it and you'd go to jail for something you never knew was on it. Something as small as a thumbnail that you picked up off of 4chan is prosecutable under the current laws.

In some other country (can't remember off the top of my head) it's illegal to even view CP, so in a court case it's actually illegal to present any images as evidence, so you have to take the prosecuters at their word that it is child porn. Now, I dunno about you, but that's an awful lot of trust you'd have to have in someone to believe them only by their word that the evidence they can't show anyone in the courtroom is in fact what they are saying it is.
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