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enurtsol
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Well, no different than in Japan where the sole determinant whether a manga is shounen or shoujo (or seinen or whatever category) is if it's published in a shounen or shoujo magazine, no matter the contents (what matters is who the target audience is). 
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jsevakis
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What if that $2.19 is the advance? 
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Viga_of_stars
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Great jab at TP there.
Is it true that Tokyopop people get a short end of the stick on their work? If so that's sad. |
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jaimevelasco
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Hilarious.
Man, I just hate OEL. I can't stand it. |
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Paploo
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Which to be fair, is kind of well deserved- TP had a bit of a bad reputation when they first started putting out works for their contracts which divided the copyright between them and the artist unlike most non-Marvel/DC companies where creators maitained these rights in whole most of the time [Mind you, I've generally percieved this to have improved a bit, and their new submissions program is a great deal more creator friendly. I'm still pondering submitting again, but I'm not sure I have the free time required to keep to TP's schedules]. Now mind you, Antarctic Press, Dark Horse, Oni Press, Marvel, DC, Image, and numerous others have been doing it for ages before the term OEL was coined---- Adam Warren, Ben Dunn and Lea Hernandez's american manga works predate TP's efforts by decades [heck, one their best OEL output, Shutterbox, is by Studio Tavicat, who've been doing manga-styled comics professionally since the late 80's]. That's also overlooking artists who didn't market their titles as manga like the above, but have stated it's immense influcence on their artwork like Colleen Doran and Frank Miller. \ BTW--- OEL was mostly created because the older fandom term for these works, Amerimanga, was often derided by some fans. Now OEL is, and it's being used less. Curiously, fans tend to pick less at manga-style webcomics, probably because they're free [..... incidentally, read my webcomic! IT'S FREE! http://girlamatic.com/comics/jeepers.php ]though I think Books+Creators Getting Well Deserved Pay=Always Good. I'd love to see an ANN Nina print comic someday [maybe run one in Protoculture? Last edited by Paploo on Wed May 14, 2008 6:14 pm; edited 3 times in total |
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Paploo
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Not much different than American Sunday funnies? Well, comics are comics are comics. At the end of the day, that's what it all boils down to, and manga's all part of it. Anyhoo, if you did win the Rising Stars contest, congrats! While people do jab at TP, trust me, if you made it into the book, you've probably done a good job. Comics is hard work. And a comic with a good story/characters and iffy but distinctive art usually tends to be better then one with incomprehensible story and ultra slick art [see Rob Liefeld in general]. From my understanding, TP does indeed pay royalties [which do indeed hinge on your sales level, but thats' a fact for ANY publishing company], on top of the advance/pay for the book itself- they're page rate is generally okay. Not Marvel/DC page rate, but not many companies offer that kind of pay anyways. Oh, and I'm pretty sure that with Rising Stars, you maintain all copyrights to your work- Slave Labour is publishing Next Exit, which is from Christy Lejewski's entry in one of the earlier contests TP held. Do keep in mind that they're not the only fish in the sea though, just one of many viable options [if a very big fish]. VIZ [well, they're working on it], Seven Seas, Del Rey, and other manga publishers have domestic gn lines, and Dark Horse, Oni Press, Slave Labour Graphics and other assorted companies are also open to submissions. I've submitted to TP myself twice over the past 5 years [once when they started, and again last year], and it's generally a good experience. I might of jabbed at them a little in these posts, but it's all up to the individual whether going with them is good for them or not. Always keep in mind that Comics Is Serious Business, so rejections and actual criticism of your work are to be expected! Also, follow the GuideLines. Part of the fun of Mike was how he was an example of how NOT to follow guidelines initially- given he got published, looks like he did  I once knew a crazy forum member ages ago of another site who was infamous at one comics publisher for sending thema 100+ page, all text description of his 50-issue scifi/superhero comic series, when the publisher in question focused mostly on manga/indy b+w OGN's and miniseries. KNOW YOUR BATTLES!
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minakichan
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Which results in Bamboo Blade and Gantz getting slammed into the same category! =D
TP pays royalties IF your book makes back the advance. This rarely happens, so we can assume that unless Mike is the new Svetlana, he's not making that $2.19. =D[/quote] |
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Nermal
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can't wait until the next big Kyotoblip sale at TRSI
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ilkz
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Next strip: will Nina become a fan of such abomination?
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pixiebell
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Nina is so cute with her stack of manga. The sad thing is that I act the same way when they get new manga in our comic shop.
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bglassbrook
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Ok, so red=fire ... no problem. But blue=air and green=water, or green=air and blue=water? I just want to be clear on if I need the gas mask or I need to bring a bottle.
My second thought was on if LoFWSN would have the running gag power of Daisuke ... after having to type the acronym out, my bet is heavily on no, despite Shadowrun20XX's comment.
Not without another $7,997.81 of income ($2,997.81 for a $300 stim) ... and zilch if mom claims him on her return (what are the odds?) *couldn't get the accountant hat off fast enough* |
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irishninja
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It's not just mangaka. Most books don't make back their advances. The publishing industry is not one to get rich in. Edit: Oh, and back on topic: This week's strip made me laugh out loud, which got me the "what are you laughing about?" glance from a co-worker. 
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ryusaki
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I see people don't accept the fact that there is good OEL manga out there. (i.e. MBQ, Aoi House, Megatokyo [If you still care that is],etc)
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minakichan
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That is very relative. Most people believe all three are mediocre. Not saying that most Japanese manga isn't mediocre either, but it's not a valid argument to say "LOOK THERE STILL BE GOOD MANGA" and list off ones that aren't really critically acclaimed. That'd be like explaining that manga is art and can be deep, then pointing to One Piece. |
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Keonyn
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That's a bit overly critical. OEL manga is an offshoot, and often shunned as a result, product of an already niche product. Expecting it to be "critically acclaimed" is laughable at best and an unfair requirement.
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