×
  • remind me tomorrow
  • remind me next week
  • never remind me
Subscribe to the ANN Newsletter • Wake up every Sunday to a curated list of ANN's most interesting posts of the week. read more

Forum - View topic
NEWS: 17 Hit or Stabbed, 7 Confirmed Dead in Tokyo's Akihabara


Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9  Next

Note: this is the discussion thread for this article

Anime News Network Forum Index -> Site-related -> Talkback
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
ConanSan



Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Posts: 1818
PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 8:46 am Reply with quote
I can't help but think that something's not going to get aired this week because of this.

It's horrid to think things like that but on an industry level this can't be good.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Teriyaki Terrier



Joined: 26 Mar 2008
Posts: 5689
PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:01 am Reply with quote
I hope those families of those people will be able to receive some sort of compenstation. What is the motive behind this, if any?

I am sorry for you loss to those who lost their family members, at least the guy was arrested.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
rankothefiremage



Joined: 16 Oct 2003
Posts: 516
Location: Michigan
PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:08 am Reply with quote
samuelp wrote:
According to the latest, it's now 3 dead, a 19, 47, and 74 year male, with 2 more in cardiac arrest and a total of 17 wounded.

It says the truck driver ran off onto the JR marunouchi train line but was arrested... And it seems the 2-ton truck was a rental, which would lead me to believe this was planned for some reason.
Whether it's an anti-otaku hate crime (doubtful) or simply the man choosing a very busy section of town to go on a rampage (more likely), I hope the japanese justice system of "never hearing from the guy again" works.


That seems rather inhuman to think like that, i hope the one who committed this crime gets a fair trial like are humans deserve.

samuelp wrote:
GATSU wrote:
In spite of it all, the Japanese are probably still glad that none of those psychos were packed like they would be here....

Damn straight. With the crowds in Akihabara on a Sunday and a gun of any sort, your kills would be limited only by the number of bullets you could carry.
I live in Tokyo and goddamit if people start being able to obtain guns readily here that'd be BAAAAD.

In my opinion Japanese people are even more likely to go "postal" in the classic sense than americans (due to the stress of their working lifestyle), it's just that when they do, they rarely harm anyone but themselves. With the semi weekly suicides on the train tracks, I could only imagine the havoc if those suicides turned into platform shootings.
Although it seems in this case the guy wasn't planning this as a suicide, as he ran away (although perhaps he just got cold feet). Perhaps he really just completely went insane.


A common argument in favor of hand guns is that if everyone has them then noone will just go off and start shooting knowing well that people may just return fire.

All that stress even thou the Japanese tend to take more vacation time than Americans............. gota love paradoxes.

-G
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message AIM Address Yahoo Messenger MSN Messenger ICQ Number My Anime My Manga
Richard J.



Joined: 11 Aug 2006
Posts: 3367
Location: Sic Semper Tyrannis.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:40 am Reply with quote
abunai wrote:
By claiming that the (in my opinion) probably random attack at Akihabara was specifically targeted against otakus, the rest of the otaku community gain status as victims by proxy, and seek sympathy.
I'm not sure any human action can really be called random. Human beings act using a lot of subconsious thinking and internalized thought processes which, unless there's something malfunctioning in the brain, can usually be analyzed accurately with enough time and effort.

Putting that aside, since it's a semi-subjective view, wouldn't it be kind of odd not to suspect that this has something to do with otaku hate? I mean, it's not like Japan is a violent crime ridden country to begin with and given the location, it's not hard to make a leap of intuition. Also, given the fact this is being reported here, it adds to the natural impulse because otherwise what's the point.

Besides, seeking power in victimhood and the claim of innocence is practically a religion nowadays. (And some folks here may have experienced prejudice on a smaller scale and are thus more inclined to believe an incident is motivated by such.)

Regardless, we'll hopefully find out more about the motive since the guy was arrested. Statistically speaking, there's a decent chance he'll confess everything.

On another note, since guns keep coming up despite having nothing to do with this incident (unless the police who arrested the guy had them) wouldn't it make more sense to champaign against the mindset that allows people to feel that murder is okay because they are unhappy than to champaign against guns? Not every society that's armed is also violent. Shouldn't our focus always be on the people and not the tools they use? Murder is murder regardless of the weapon involved.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
hikaru004



Joined: 15 Mar 2004
Posts: 2306
PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:00 am Reply with quote
First, my condolences to the family of the victims.

I know that this is a tragic event but please explain again how is this related to anime and manga.

If Akihabara has another hit and run incident or robbery with the victim injured, is that also going to be posted here? Is this site going to become an Akihabara crime report site?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Steventheeunuch





PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:11 am Reply with quote
Conan-san wrote:
I can't help but think that something's not going to get aired this week because of this.

It's horrid to think things like that but on an industry level this can't be good.


Between this and someone nearly crying over it I think this is a terrible, terrible thread.

Grolious Nippon.
Back to top
Tsugumi



Joined: 25 Feb 2007
Posts: 9
PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:14 am Reply with quote
hikaru004 wrote:
First, my condolences to the family of the victims.

I know that this is a tragic event but please explain again how is this related to anime and manga.

If Akihabara has another hit and run incident or robbery with the victim injured, is that also going to be posted here? Is this site going to become an Akihabara crime report site?


Hikaru-san, it probably appeared here not because of the location, but the people gathered there.


Addtitionally, Yomiuri AP already reports 7 deaths.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
TokyoGetter



Joined: 28 Nov 2006
Posts: 416
Location: CA. You can tell by the low moral standards.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:29 am Reply with quote
According to the news here a seventh victim has passed away. The man lives alone in an apartment in Shizuoka. Very few of his neighbors have said that they have seen him around the complex. He is 25 years old.

I wrote a piece about it on my blog at http://tokyogetter.livejournal.com if anybody would like to see it.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message AIM Address
phoenixphire24



Joined: 13 Apr 2007
Posts: 260
Location: SoCal
PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:41 am Reply with quote
How depressing. My thoughts are with the families and friends of the victims.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
dormcat
Encyclopedia Editor


Joined: 08 Dec 2003
Posts: 9902
Location: New Taipei City, Taiwan, ROC
PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:57 am Reply with quote
Richard J. wrote:
abunai wrote:
By claiming that the (in my opinion) probably random attack at Akihabara was specifically targeted against otakus, the rest of the otaku community gain status as victims by proxy, and seek sympathy.

I'm not sure any human action can really be called random. Human beings act using a lot of subconsious thinking and internalized thought processes which, unless there's something malfunctioning in the brain, can usually be analyzed accurately with enough time and effort.

Putting that aside, since it's a semi-subjective view, wouldn't it be kind of odd not to suspect that this has something to do with otaku hate? I mean, it's not like Japan is a violent crime ridden country to begin with and given the location, it's not hard to make a leap of intuition. Also, given the fact this is being reported here, it adds to the natural impulse because otherwise what's the point.

While abunai provided an objective and logical analysis, I do agree that Richard has made a point. If a crazy man driving a truck into the pedestrian crowds of Chinatown in Yokohama, Japantown in LA, or a Jewish or Turkish settlement in Germany, it would be quite natural for the general population to suspect if the incident has anything to do with racial hatred, before any detail of investigation has been announced by law enforcement. Such speculation is not logical, but doing so is human nature. It's like every post-9/11 plane crash into buildings (such as Yankees pitcher Cory Lidle's small plane) had been suspected with a possible terrorist attack, even if later investigation showed nothing more than human and/or mechanical errors.

Now I can only wish this suspect has nothing to do with otakudom in any way -- whether he hates it or is a part of it -- thus not adding any unnecessary trouble to this tragedy. Like Viga_of_stars said, it could happen in anywhere else.

hikaru004 wrote:
I know that this is a tragic event but please explain again how is this related to anime and manga.

Even if the culprit has nothing to do with otakudom, shops around the criminal site have already been affected (they all closed down for the day), and the situation might continue for a short while at least. Customers might use alternative methods e.g. Internet to purchase their merchandises and/or decrease their frequency visiting Akihabara and the time of each stay.

EDIT: typo fixed


Last edited by dormcat on Sun Jun 08, 2008 12:24 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger MSN Messenger ICQ Number My Anime My Manga
Gilles Poitras



Joined: 05 Apr 2008
Posts: 476
Location: Oakland California
PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:58 am Reply with quote
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Mohawk52



Joined: 16 Oct 2003
Posts: 8202
Location: England, UK
PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 11:08 am Reply with quote
This is the latest Associated Press wire on the story.
AP wrote:
TOKYO, June 8, 2008 (AFP) - A man went on a stabbing spree Sunday in a busy Tokyo neighbourhood famed for comic-book subculture, killing at least seven people and leaving around a dozen injured in Japan's deadliest crime in years.

The assailant, who later told police he was "tired of living," drove a truck into a crowd of pedestrians shortly after noon in Tokyo's bustling Akihabara area before jumping out and stabbing strangers while screaming.

The assailant was identified as Tomohiro Kato, 25, from central Shizuoka prefecture. He first said he was a gangster before retracting his story.

"I came to Akihabara to kill people. It didn't matter whom I'd kill," he was quoted by Jiji Press as telling police.

Kato, bespectacled in a beige suit and black-and-white sneakers, was armed with a survival knife and duelled with a police officer who fought back with a baton.

By the time Kato finally dropped his knife with an officer's gun pointed at him, 17 people lay bloodied on the street of the crowded district, according to fire department and police officials.

Jiji Press and other Japanese media said seven people were dead -- six men aged 19, 20, 29, 33, 47 and 74, and a 21-year-old woman.

Kato had blood running down the side of his face as he was taken into custody. Kyodo News reported that he was a temporary worker at an auto component factory in Shizuoka.

The attack fell on the anniversary of the last incident of similar magnitude in Japan -- a stabbing frenzy that left eight children dead at an elementary school in 2001.

Ambulances with sirens blaring raced to the scene Sunday, where Kato's rented white Isuzu truck was abandoned with a shattered windshield on streets that were closed to traffic on a balmy Sunday afternoon.

Hundreds of stunned pedestrians stared from a distance as medical workers set up green plastic sheets in the middle of an intersection to ensure privacy as they gave emergency treatment.

"I was shocked to hear the news as I've visited this place quite often," said Wataru Amano, a 26-year-old truck driver. "I could have been a target if I had been here a few hours ago."

"I'm afraid this will give a negative image of Akihabara, where people are coming from around the world," he said.

Akihabara is best known for major electronics stores and in recent years has mushroomed into a haven for Japanese subculture, pulling in tourists from home and abroad interested in comic books and video games.

Akihabara's attractions range from a museum of Japanese animation to cafes where waitresses dress as maids and video-game characters. It is also a major commuter hub.

"When I passed by, I saw a man collapsed on the street. He was stabbed in the chest and bleeding badly," one young woman said. "He was unconscious."

It was seven years to the day since a mentally disturbed man went on a rampage with a butcher's knife at the Ikeda elementary school in the posh suburbs of the western metropolis of Osaka.

Mamoru Takuma, who had an apparent grudge against children of the elite, stabbed to death eight youngsters.

At Takuma's sentencing, the judge called the killings "one of the most heinous cases in Japan's criminal history." Takuma was executed in 2004 at the age of 40.

The elementary school attack stunned Japan, which prides itself on its safety, and authorities moved to step up security at schools.

In another knifing spree, a man in 1999 drove into the main train station in the southwestern city of Shimonoseki and stabbed to death five people.

Japan tightly restricts guns. But in December last year, a licensed hunter with a vendetta barged into a private gym in the western town of Sasebo and shot dead two people.

burs-msl/rlp

AFP 081440 GMT JUN 08
It would seem it was just bad luck that he decided to do it there. It could have been anywhere.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
philpalm



Joined: 07 Jun 2008
Posts: 1
PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 11:09 am Reply with quote
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
watchdog210



Joined: 10 Nov 2007
Posts: 114
Location: North West Florida
PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 11:10 am Reply with quote
MSN.com has picked this up.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25026870

A sad sad day.

Also, I can't remember, is the Toyko Police armed?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Yahoo Messenger
watchdog210



Joined: 10 Nov 2007
Posts: 114
Location: North West Florida
PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 11:13 am Reply with quote
watchdog210 wrote:
MSN.com has picked this up.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25026870

A sad sad day.

Also, I can't remember, is the Toyko Police armed?



Edit: Mohawk52 answered my question while I was typing..
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Yahoo Messenger
Display posts from previous:   
Reply to topic    Anime News Network Forum Index -> Site-related -> Talkback All times are GMT - 5 Hours
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9  Next
Page 4 of 9

 


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group