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NEWS: Jump Sq. Manga Reports on Dragonball Film's Production

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So it was a financial success, a popular success, and a decent critical success, but it failed...because Gatsu said so.

A critical success would imply that it had a huge chunk of support, rather than just a majority. And films which are financially successful aren't necessarily popular as much as successful at attracting people. How many people still like Titanic, after all?

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Please specify what element of the movie is "IQ-lowering" but somehow the cartoon was not equally "IQ-lowering." We can even ignore this cartoon episode if you like

I dunno, the idiot hacker; the robots peeing; the over-sized ore which didn't actually do anything. Take your pick.

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The nice thing is, Dragonball doesn't need more than that to be considered a finanicial success because it isn't operating on a huge budget like other Hollywood action movies.

A lack of stars does not necessarily mean a small budget. Look at Fantastic Four.

I dunno, the idiot hacker; the robots peeing; the over-sized ore which didn't actually do anything. Take your pick.

You forgot Mountain Dew Bot, Nokia Bot, and a woman that can't tell the difference in Engines!! Cause my favorite Autobots back then was Tab Bot and Motorola DynaTAC Bot and the girls back then knew their carburetors from the manifold.

I'm in awe of this tortured logic: "It's not popular--it's just successful at attracting people."

You're saying there weren't incredulous hackers, robots exuding bodily fluids in human-like manners, and bizarre plot-device elements in the cartoon?

In this case, it is more akin to Serenity in budget than Fantastic Four.

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I'm in awe of this tortured logic: "It's not popular--it's just successful at attracting people."

Yep. See E.T.

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You're saying there weren't incredulous hackers, robots exuding bodily fluids in human-like manners, and bizarre plot-device elements in the cartoon?

I'm guessing mainly in the crappy sequels.

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In this case, it is more akin to Serenity in budget than Fantastic Four.

That's not really a good analogy, since Serenity bombed in spite of a low budget.

So...according to you, not only is Titanic an unpopular failure, but E.T., too?

No. I'm guessing you're admitting that you haven't seen the first cartoon lately.

Please read my quote. I'm referring to Serenity's budget, not its eventual box office record.

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So...according to you, not only is Titanic an unpopular failure, but E.T., too?

Yes, because the films which are well-received tend to be the ones people talk about a lot, not the ones which just get a lot of media exposure.

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No. I'm guessing you're admitting that you haven't seen the first cartoon lately.

Nope. I'm sure it doesn't live up to my childhood memories, but I'm not going to consider it as stupifying as Bay's film.

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Please read my quote. I'm referring to Serenity's budget, not its eventual box office record.

Your argument was that since DB might have a small budget akin to Serenity, it should be profitable. But then you choose to ignore the latter film's lack of profitability. See what happens when the tables are turned?

GATSU wrote:

Quote: Speed Racer was actually an excellent movie. No, it wasn't, but even if you were right, it shouldn't have to be something you have to be familiar with the anime to enjoy.

opinions are opinions, just because you post a link of someone that raves that the movie "sucks" doesn't mean you're right.

So would you quit trying to prove other people wrong just because they like it and you don't? It's getting more than just annoying.

._. wtf, really.

Either way... I find it rather funny of the assumption that Fox is attempting to KILL DB franchise. The easier thing is not to invest millions of dollars into the movie. It's not going to die because of one friggin movie.

x_x I need some Zac in this thread. He always cheers me up when I'm down.

*rolls away before she goes further off topic.*

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I found something...if it hasn't been posted already.
Clickie.

Or...films that get both good word-of-mouth and media exposure. No false choice here. Newsflash: Titanic and E.T. are popular successes.

Since you admit your memory is faulty, we won't worry too much about your considerations based on them.

First you say that it's only popular in Asia. Then I point out it's a strong market. Then you shift goalposts by trying to compare its budget to Fantastic Four's budget. That's a separate, easily refuted issue from the Asian market.

Hopefully Fox isn't trying to end Dragon Ball popularity with the movie, but that wouldn't make much sense.

That would be like replacing House (Hugh Grant) with Geogre Lopez. Whlie that would be midly entertaining, that would drive some of the fans away.

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Newsflash: Titanic and E.T. are popular successes.

No, they're just successes. There's a difference.

I didn't say my memory was faulty. I said that it's been a while since I last saw (the Transformers cartoon), and thus I probably can't remember the details. I do remember enough from my childhood to count, though.

I said (Dragonball's) only popular in Asia, but that it doesn't make it enough of a strong market to be considered a big hit. And I added that the budget would have to be significant for it to make money across the board, since no one is going to see a DB movie which looks like Jumper.

Replies to Gatsu's meandering arguments can be summed up in two words: Proof please.