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bleuster
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I don't hear much about politics in Japan, so this is particularly interesting since it's involving the anime fandom.
I'm not sure how this is going to effect the doujin crowd. Would they listen? |
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DarkHunter6523
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Technically doujin is illegal in the first place (iirc), it's just via a lack of enforcement that it propagates. In this situation, I think the lack of enforcement will still remain as the definitive factor as to whether it lives or dies (and/or goes underground).
Either way, it should be interesting to see how this turns out. |
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Kit-Tsukasa
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Problems I see with these petitions:
1) You can depict a 30 year old as the size of a loli....(Lucky Star is one example of depicting 18 year olds as 12 year olds....)...thus how will you differentiate what is a loli and what is not? It is the author's choice to make the character whatever shape and form he/she wants. That's the whole point of freedom of expression in art. 2) Regarding the ero games...that's going to vary a lot......what is considered going too far and "having an impact on society"? 50-80% of the stuff that occurs in ero games are fictitious and could never happen in real life even if one tried  so I don't see the large scale problem... I see the point of trying to "civilize" society, but again, ero games are another form of "art" as so to speak....the best way I see is just to make sure you don't have 5 year olds wandering into the adult section at akihabara 
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Doddler
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It could go either way... I mean there's a huge precedent set already, because there's an entire industry founded on it, with publicly owned companies running the show. On the other hand, its quite easy for politicians to swing for harder regulation because it could amount to political suicide to fight for something that is morally objectionable to many voters, even if regulation is not justified.
In a way its similar to the run-ins that portrayal of sex/violence in video games here. I'm interested in seeing how it will play out, though as a consumer of said products from japan, I'm afraid of what it could mean for fans of the genre. |
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Some Guy
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I just think it is kinda funny that the petition is only going after bishojo type ero. No mention of shonen or yaoi type stuff.
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Kit-Tsukasa
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This would ruin the epic-ness of School Days.... |
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fighterholic
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I have to agree, this could go either way. I also did notice that they did mention whether it was girls or boys (referring to yaoi). I think this could draw quite a bit of response from the otaku community.
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Warstar77
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it means guy there only going to ban adult anime and manga and thats it and its not going to effect mature, teenage or the older children ok
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Mohawk52
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(excuse me sir, madam. would you like to sign my petition to exempt explicit lolicom child porn manga from lawful banning?)
225 exempt it. (Can I borrrow your pen mate?) 10449 ban it. Says it all. |
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Warstar77
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there only banning the adult manga and adult anime not the mature, teenage and older children ok
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yblees
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LOL at only banning "bishojo" ero. So yaoi is off the hook??
I'm against broad spectrum bans of what is arguably "art", but will no one speak up for all those poor shota victims?! 
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minakichan
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Not all loli is doujinshi, not all doujinshi is parody.
Are you saying the ban-ners aren't passionate and riled up about this topic? I'M PRETTY SURE THEY ARE >_>; Eh, doesn't affect me either way. We shall see. |
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Hikari06
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Loli and shota repulses me, but I wonder how greatly it affects general Japanese society. Frankly, I wouldn't say much, considering that otaku are largely viewed as socially maladjusted losers with poor hygiene habits by mainstream Japanese society (especially the moe trend). This is a tough issue for me, because even though I consider sexualization of children to be disgusting, fictional or not, there's still the issue of freedom of expression (and, like somebody else mentioned, people still draw those "adult" and even teen characters who look like kids; like Ayu from Kanon, Hagumi from Honey and Clover, Konata from Lucky Star, etc) and whether this could set a precedent for the government regulating other fictional/artistic themes that people find objectionable. At least the current anime season seems to be moving away from "moe" shows and more toward series featuring adult and teen characters who look and act their age (like Kurozuka, Mouryou no Hako, Ga Rei Zero, etc).
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BellosTheMighty
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I don't know much about Japanese politics, but my understanding of it is this: It's a parliment system with two major parties- the Liberal Democratic Party (which is, in reality, highly conservative) runs the country and has for decades, and the Democratic Party of Japan spends their time railing on everything the LDP does. And I mean everything, even something which is clearly good for the country. It actually works, in a strange kind of way- the LDP does the job of governing, and the DPJ works as a kind of a warning light- when they actually get enough support to block the LDP's laws or measures, it's a sign that the LDP is doing something seriously wrong. Again, I'm not an expert, but I believe it goes back to the extreme cultural value Japan places on tradition and social order. Politically, this manifests as obedience to the government, to the point that the government itself becomes ethereal and even the people who supposedly control it are in service to it. So anyway, yeah, a large majority backing a bill and a small minority raising loud objections would seem to be par for the course in Japan. |
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VORTIA
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I doubt it. They have whole festivals dedicated to Doujin, and most of the people in the manga industry started there. Japan has extremely liberal parody laws, intepretable as anything which is a take off of othe original, and it is under Japanese parody law that doujin propogates. As for this law, I find it a terrifying attempt to limit freedom of expression. It's quite understandable in a situation where their is an actual victim, but if we go around outlawing the simple expression of ideals we find distasteful, we're well on our way to an Orwellian control state. Outlaw loli doujin, hell outlaw all violent sex fantasies in the media! And how about murder! Let's not allow murder to be depicted, it incites violence! And what about drinking on television, the little children will want to emulate it, and then people will start criticizing the government, and we can't have that either, so we can't allow that! etc, etc. |
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