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nargun
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Pretty much: the recent reboot indicates fairly clearly that DC's entirely written off the idea of actually growing their market any. |
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fuuma_monou
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Volume one wasn't published by CMX, though. |
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tasogarenootome
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I don't see this as offensive, just goofy. A lot of good points have been raised - the biggest being that if DC wants to attract manga readers, they need to evaluate what it is that makes manga attractive to that audience in the first place. There are plenty of manga fans who also read American comics. I think DC is overestimating the small subset of manga fans who haven't given US comics (particularly superhero series) a fair try. But I think that subset is smaller than they expect.
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giapet
Industry Insider
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Did it have to be a volume one? |
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fuuma_monou
Posts: 1817 Location: Quezon City, Philippines |
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Yes. Has to be volume one of a manga for a New 52 #1. |
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penguintruth
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I lost interest in DC after they let Grant Morrison f*ck up Batman.
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reanimator
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The whole thing reminds me of government sponsored "Cash for clunkers" campaign. Wouldn't you think so?
Anyway, I find American indie comics at my local library and some of them are fairly decent. Granted that I spend more money buying manga than comics, but I don't want to develop bias against indie comics that want to grow. It's just that major American comic publishing industry has been working against effective storytelling which all comic artist needs to develop. Here are the inherent problems that I've noticed on comics, including "epic-level" indies, numerous times. 1. Poor editorial policy of trying to cram in 500 page "epic" story into 50-100 page comic format: Every word is densely packed, so pictures are just eye candies rather than the story support 2. Too many unnecessary monologues and narrations: Again, they kill the purpose of the picture and their layout. Confusion arises due to overwhelming amount of narrations and monologues which make pictures unnecessary. 3. Stating the obvious: Many times the word bubble describes the exactly what's happening in the panel. For example, one panel shows a guy trips and falls into a lake and the word bubble exactly states that "he fell into the lake". There are more problems that I found in so-called "serious story" graphic novels. However, I find pleasure and joy reading 4 panel comics like Peanuts, Calvin and Hobbs, Garfield, and others. Even the manga industry is starting to face similar problems like American counterpart: http://tokyoscum.blogspot.com/2011/06/scummy-manga-reviews-6-naruman.html |
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TigerFaceFreak
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So you listen to a [nope] that blogs about how smart he is on the internet than people that create anime despite not having been brought up or lived in the culture it was created from? [Rest of the post removed as it was an outright attack towards other users. - Keonyn] |
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grooven
Posts: 1424 Location: Canada |
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Yes let us all pick up a comic where the inside doesn't match the cover art >.>
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Hypeathon
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Wwwwwwait, how do you listen to people that create Japanese animation if they're Japanese and the Japanese language isn't native tongue? I didn't understand what you meant by that. |
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Apollo-kun
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Never mind that DC has teamed with Japanese artists before to give unique takes on their franchises, or that one of their major toy lines is actually an entire series of their heroines done as "Bishoujo" heroines. On top of lazily rebooting ALL OF THEIR MAJOR SERIES instead of, I don't know, actually fixing them, DC is now taking a stance against the manga industry? The manga industry, which doesn't have huge movies like "The Dark Knight Rises" coming out, and doesn't have as much brand recognition among average Americans like Superman or Batman? To me, it sounds like they're butthurt because they botched all of their most beloved characters in a dimwitted revamp, and now are taking to low blows against an industry offering more quality works than most of the series they're running right now.
DC, you've lost my money. You've lost the money I was going to spend on your Bishoujo Catwoman, and you've lost the money I was going to use to give your new Batman a shot. Marvel, Dark Horse and IDW, to name a few, are more accepting to competition than you, and have often embraced it. I'd rather nurture the creativity displayed by them and fine manga publishers like Yen and Seven Seas than give you money that's going to fund blatant, idiotic hate campaigns like this. Is "hate" too strong of word? Perhaps, but it sums up the nationalist tone they're taking most accurately. So long, DC, I had fun with you while it lasted. |
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Sacto0562
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Sure, it may be an ad for a local comics shop, but the fact DC Comics created the illustration and paid for 75% of the cost of this ad makes them culpable if either Viz Media and/or Kodansha Comics USA starts to complain.
Yes, I like several DC Comics titles, but to get involved with something like this may make me change my mind.... |
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RestLessone
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How 'bout you actually read the previous posts instead of going with the knee-jerk reaction of "OMG DC HATES MANGA I WONT SPEND MONEY ON THEM WAAAAH!"? You sound, quite frankly, idiotic. That is not what is going on. At all. DC has a funding program which pays for advertisements featuring their characters. It's used in one comic store. The guy who did it was using a cover from one of the new Justice League issues and playing with it as a goofy propaganda poster because of the huge American flag. It's not a hate campaign, and the rep/owner says he supports manga and anime. It was a joke. You're taking it way too seriously. Honestly, how is it any different from a spoof Uncle Sam poster? The rep even states that everything is made in Canada, bringing further irony to it... (Also, it wasn't a full reboot. Everything that has happened has happened with a few changes made along the way. Starting everything at "#1" was just to lure in more buyers, and apparently they have some plans along the way. As far as sales have gone, it's worked. Research is fun, huh? And...bishoujo Catwoman? What?) |
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BonusStage
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Hentai and fanservice is definitely something Japan does a lot better. And before people say it, yeah, obviously super heroines are supposed to be 'sexy' but the art style isn't really appealing to me.. it actually kinda looks like they traced real model poses and comes off weird. I swear some Marvel comics I saw just look like they photographed some real people and call it 'art'. Way too much focus on 'realism' I also saw some parody of Archie Comics that was supposed to be 'sexy' (but didn't show anything) but it looked like Archie Comics so obviously the art style doesn't lend itself to sexy. Well done drawn porn is very lacking in western culture. I don't particularly care about seeing the Peanuts characters naked. Art style differences. Also America seems more sheltered when it comes to sex.. no huge hentai communities or followings. No Comikets devoted entirely to hentai doujinshi. I guess being a porn artist here would prevent people from getting a job with a 'real company'.. in Japan it's the opposite. Pretty funny and cool.
And people still clamor how comics can match up to manga? Really, I think it's been proven otherwise enough times already that we have to have the same 5 comics repeated over and over. manga#7796 Probably never see anything that creative in comics (in before prudes) Kodomo no Jikan is another one with more literary merit that flat out could not exist here when people get arrested for loli all the time. I caught a bit of Walking Dead and didn't care for it too much. It seemed to play the whole zombie thing completely straight which makes it very forgettable and not stand out very much. I'd definitely take a more stylized High School of the Dead, or even Dead Rising over it. Plus I heard a bunch of people dropped the series after some favorite character died and it sucks now so eh, doesn't seem that reliable. Last edited by BonusStage on Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:26 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Apollo-kun
Posts: 1213 Location: City 7, Macross 7 |
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Anyway, back on topic, I'm not saying everybody should do that. I'm not telling you that you're a bad person for not boycotting DC, nor am I saying that what they're doing is going to end the world. Your "waaah" approximation kind of makes it look like you're making a mountain out of a molehill. Just because I, one little dude, decides to opt out of supporting DC out of personal choice doesn't mean that I think DC are a bunch of hate-mongering Nazis. I just think they're being downright distasteful and immature. Oh, and sure, the New 52 worked in sales, but some things are more important than sales. Loyalty to the customers who have supported you is kind of key to running a smooth outfit, and yanking the rug out from under millions fans produced some pretty unsavory reactions. Your sarcastic "research is fun" remark is entirely invalid because I wasn't talking about how much money DC makes. Also, if you paid attention to this whole thing, it's a flyer that they're also going to pass out in an upcoming major convention. How would you put it... ah yes, "research is fun?" If anything, you're becoming too defensive about one comment I made on a forum about my personal choice, one that I'm making because I personally dislike this "knee-jerk" business tactic. And hey, now that I've done more "research" on this whole issue, maybe I jumped the gun a bit soon. If that were the case, I'd probably have amended my post and stated what I had learned. But thank you for you saving me the trouble! It's always nice having somebody call you and idiot and bring the extra research to you! Less surfing for me, right? Anyway, have a great day, sir/madam! 
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