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NEWS: Comic Shop's DC-Funded Ad: 'Buy American,' Trade Manga for DC Issue

@Apollo-kun
I never called you an idiot. I said that you sounded idiotic (which, by the way, by definition does not mean you are an idiot, just that you are, in this case, speaking in idiotically). I do not believe you to be an idiot, and I apologize if you thought it that way. Also, it would only qualify as a "comeback" if it was all I relied on. I did not. My reply to you itself, now that I read it again, could also qualify as "idiotic," at least by my tone. (Which, by the way, I didn't mean to act as defensive as my writing would imply. Apologies there as well.) My reaction could also be considered knee-jerk. However, I don't think it's fair to claim your opinion as "insignificant" as a defense against my words. My opinion is no more significant. What does matter is truth. I rather have people have strong facts than some knowledge; the facts may change the opinion.

My "research is fun" comment was not aimed at sales; it was by your implications that the "reboot" was taking everything from the start. I juxtaposed wrongly. Were there some unhappy campers? Yes; it was unavoidable. Were some new series badly written? Of course. But that doesn't mean they are braking the loyalties of their customers and it doesn't mean they aren't attempting to fix the problems evident in the series. It doesn't mean they're completely disregarding customers. Even if they are, to some extent, destroying some bonds, they need to make money in a climate where their sales weren't doing entirely well, and they were falling behind Marvel. It's understandable, even if not always the best option. A business is a business.

Finally: yes, they'll be distributing them at a major con. Perhaps I missed that part. (Doesn't help that on other forums I visited that they spoke of it as one person's shop.) I'll admit that mistake. But I still don't see the huge deal. It's still just a joke, and I don't think the stir is warranted.

(Also, I don't think DC will be distributing. Sounds like just the guy, in which case it still doesn't feel the same as a sanctioned, nation-wide DC promotion.)

In any case, sorry for the wrong impression. You are free to go against them if you so wish, and I can see why you would. I just don't agree, considering the conditions.

I'll admit I got a bit defensive on the idiotic part, and for that, I apologize.

I respect your opinion, and I'm actually glad you gave me an alternate viewpoint to this issue. And I understand the need to rebrand one's self in order to make sales. However, a lot of the comic-related blogs, websites, etc, that I frequent seem to be generally displease with the New 52 thing, and it is from that I have developed somewhat of a bias. While it may not be entirely valid, I still feel kind of sketchy about the treatment of some fan-favorite characters. What they've done to Wonder Woman irritates me a great deal, as well as Batman. I have a tad bit of nerd rage driving me, and the fact that DC supported this ad (jokingly, I know) fueled it to a point where I lashed out.

While we may disagree on some of the issues here, I'm glad we were able to reach a sensible solution, and it's nice to talk with somebody who's willing to converse instead of attack. I'm sorry for the wryness of my last post

The whole thing reminds me of government sponsored "Cash for clunkers" campaign. Wouldn't you think so?

Aside from the rather provocative tone of the flier, there may also be some potential lawsuits looming over the dangerously discriminatory “limit one per American citizen” rider, ironically enough considering the prominently featured “Robama.”

RyanSaotome wrote:

Until America learns how to draw attractive girls and makes more moe/slice of life stuff, I'll just skip American comics. I have no interest in super hero stuff that never ends.

Hentai and fanservice is definitely something Japan does a lot better. And before people say it, yeah, obviously super heroines are supposed to be 'sexy' but the art style isn't really appealing to me.. it actually kinda looks like they traced real model poses and comes off weird. I swear some Marvel comics I saw just look like they photographed some real people and call it 'art'. Way too much focus on 'realism'

I also saw some parody of Archie Comics that was supposed to be 'sexy' (but didn't show anything) but it looked like Archie Comics so obviously the art style doesn't lend itself to sexy.

Well done drawn porn is very lacking in western culture. I don't particularly care about seeing the Peanuts characters naked. Art style differences.

Also America seems more sheltered when it comes to sex.. no huge hentai communities or followings. No Comikets devoted entirely to hentai doujinshi. I guess being a porn artist here would prevent people from getting a job with a 'real company'.. in Japan it's the opposite. Pretty funny and cool.

Shenl742 wrote:

As for the rest? Well for slice-of-life you'll have to turn to webcomics

And people still clamor how comics can match up to manga? Really, I think it's been proven otherwise enough times already that we have to have the same 5 comics repeated over and over.

manga#7796

Probably never see anything that creative in comics (in before prudes) Kodomo no Jikan is another one with more literary merit that flat out could not exist here when people get arrested for loli all the time.

I caught a bit of Walking Dead and didn't care for it too much. It seemed to play the whole zombie thing completely straight which makes it very forgettable and not stand out very much. I'd definitely take a more stylized High School of the Dead, or even Dead Rising over it.

Plus I heard a bunch of people dropped the series after some favorite character died and it sucks now so eh, doesn't seem that reliable.

Cool job stating your holier than thou condescending opinion then running off when it's time to present any evidence, bro.

(See here for a listing of American comics of note offered by Princess Irene, IKillChicken and RestlessOne)

Alrighty then, throw a few titles my way. I'm looking for some ongoing romance titles or shoujo in general. Maybe a couple harem titles, or oddly set-up premise titles like Papakiki or Recorder to Randoseru. Nisemonogatari is pretty awesome to.

Until America learns how to draw attractive girls and makes more moe/slice of life stuff, I'll just skip American comics. I have no interest in super hero stuff that never ends.

Yeah well I don't care.

I said I'd dig up the link if anyone actually wanted it. In fact, someone already beat me to it:

Surrender Artist wrote:

(See here for a listing of American comics of note offered by Princess Irene, IKillChicken and RestlessOne)

Let's just skip past the inane straw man. I never said every single Japanese title had a western equivalent. I never even said that every genre was equally represented. Obviously there are some things in Japan not found in western comics (and of course there are many things found in western comics that you won't find in Japan). Hell, I never even said "as diverse". I actually agree that generally manga is somewhat more diverse (mainly because it does cater more to women as well as men). What I actually said though is that there's a mountain of stuff that isn't superheroes, is recent characters, and is worth reading. Hence, dismissing western comics as a whole on any of these grounds is moronic.

The first group I saw seemed weird since half of them are 'sadly unfinished', one is apparently full of spin offs. another is rebooted by Marvel, and other weird footnotes plastered all over each recommendation just seems weird people would use them as a guide to get manga fans into comics.

but if they dismiss it because of that lack of diversity, it's not really moronic. especially if you just admit it.

same with your comment on how manga is more misogynistic and dc is just a 'drop in the bucket' when you also just admit there's manga for women in Japan, unlike DC.

Just how many different genres do people need to name before it doesn't become 'specific tastes'. I'm sure we could think of tons.

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Not even close Daimao Raki. It's an ad saying buy American goods. There is no hate or disdain for manga, just a company saying "try our new comics". They see a large segment of young Americans are interested in comic like books, and they are trying to get some of those customers. Slick

Did you overlook the trade in thing? You normally only trade something if you get something better in return. So what this comic shop is saying is: "Give us your manga and we'll give you something better."

Which can easily be read as: "Your taste in comics sucks, now get something we think you should be reading "

That's not a very clever way to convince people to buy your product. Like giapet said, this ad will appeal to people who're already into the comics they're promoting. It's very unlikely they'll win many mangareaders over with this deal.