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pue-eternity
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That also qualifies as piracy, just so ya know. You didn't pay for your view of it, making the company lose *possible* money. I say *possibly* because fervent anti-piracy people say so much $ and jobs are lost by piracy but really, they make those figures up. They can't track that stuff. So, legally, pretty much everybody is a pirate. Yarr, we be sharin' yer material an' talking about it. I'll hijack yer ship with yer profits!! I think it's better if they stream everything and make a hard copy available for people to buy. Like TV. Why do you think Transformers made such a profit in toys? Lots and lots of kids watched that show on TV, it was readily available. It's not profitable if it's not popular. 
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Tokimemofan
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The problem with Sony is that "Other OS" wasn't the first time. I've been burned by the PocketStation, PSBBN, Other OS, and Disc Read Errors. I wasn't hit by the rootkit fiasco because there weren't any titles I wanted on the list. It isn't just removing a rarely used feature, it is the forced removal of a feature, and the years of the abuse and lies. It is sad because at 11 PlayStations (4 PS1, 4 PS2 2 PSP and 1 PS3) Sony has gotten a lot of money from me. |
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Xanas
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I liked that the majority of the focus of the responses was on things that the anime industry can do and not on legislation.
Thank goodness for that, I can only hope that excerpts are similar to others emails as well. There were some real legitimate points raised. Unfortunately, I think much of those points (like removing DRM or non-skippable piracy warnings) will not be desirable for the industry. The idea of getting involved in the "black" market of the internet is good, but they can't do it under the current system. They potentially forfeit their "rights" in doing so, and so it can't work. In any case, as one of the evil pirates (who also buys anime), I think this was mostly good. It shows the propaganda is mostly not working. |
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agila61
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No, of course, it doesn't. Its not viewerright, its copyright. As long as that copy of the DVD was made under a legitimate license, then it can be lent, rented, resold, etc. ... almost anything except displayed in public. However, an upload is a fresh copy: you do not, for example, upload an actual DVD, you upload a copy of the contents of the DVD. So the person who does the upload has to have permission from the work's creator, or else it violates the copyright of the creator, And if the site makes more copies to download them to customers, those are more copies, and they all have to have permission of the work's creator. That's also why its widely argued (I don't know if its been tested in court, and IANDL, but it has been widely argued) that the viewer of the stream is not a pirate, because they are not distributing a new copy, they are consuming the copy made by the streaming site. Ironically, torrents are likely to cause less market spoilage than bootleg leech streaming, but its the torrents where the downloader is in more direct legal jeopardy, if they seed the torrent in turn, because seeding the stream is uploading bits and pieces of the downloaded file to someone else. |
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dewlwieldthedarpachief
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@pue-eternity:
May I ask where you confirmed borrowing is illegal (in the United States, I'm assuming)? To screen content with friends or to lend them legally purchased copies consitutes private use, which in turn has been granted upon the purchase of a legal copy. This is why things like anime clubs can exist; it would only be illegal if one were to make a public exhibition or to charge money for the screening. Further, even if I woke up tomorrow and I was somehow legally a "pirate", that would not change the ethics of lending and it wouldn't put those actions on the level of someone who contributed nothing. @Tokimemofan: I don't think the tragedy of PlayStation 3 should negate all the fun you've had up to this point or onward. Up until now Sony had a great thing going with its consoles (Bushido Blade, Resident Evil, Tekken 2 and Metal Gear Solid will always have a place in my heart!). Sony's Blu-rays are also the reason I have a lot of stuff I want in HD. If the executive Sony chimps hit enough red buttons to change that then I'll have no interest in poor products, but I wonder if that would be the same as boycotting... |
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Chagen46
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Dwel and Agila, Pue was joking.
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agila61
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I'd read it as sarcasm about MPAA/RIAA attitudes ... but sarcasm is rarely clear in text, especially without emoticons. No joke that they tried to make lending a VHS tape into piracy, but that was knocked down by the courts, back in the 70's I think. |
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pue-eternity
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Yarr. No, matey, we be dead serious when it comes to obeyin' the laws.
That's probably what I should have looked up... 
I thought of it in terms of movie tickets, can't share it, can't lend it to a friend.
Copyright infringement of this kind really seems harmless to me, most people download/watch stuff they don't consider buying in the first place. Unless you recommended it to someone or bought it yourself, you didn't really contribute anything either. 
I've also read that some cases of piracy make a product (a band, I know this at least) so popular that it made money for the people who legally owned it. Like I said before, popularity is a big selling point, in this case piracy is better than ads!
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BigOnAnime
Encyclopedia Editor
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As for the prices, how many people here do you think would be willing to pay Japanese prices for singles? Bandai Visual USA failed by doing that as they released everything like that. They weren't being like Aniplex USA who is being more wise with imports (I mean KnK sold out, Fate/Zero will sell out, the Baccano! import sold out-back in stock at TSRI with 67 copies for now-and more.). That's the blockade to worldwide releases, you can't expect your normal R1 fan to pay $90 for a Madoka Magica BD single with 2 episodes. The import crowd will, more passionate fans possibly will, but not your average fan. |
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dewlwieldthedarpachief
Posts: 751 Location: Canada |
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In any event, region coding (and other assorted DRM) is a joke to the otaku or really anyone who could be bothered to google their way to a solution. Be that as it may, I think the humour is lost on this last generation of important suits with people in them. Perhaps they're left scratching their heads, or haughtily retorting "that's not funny!" before retreating to the executive washroom. Either way, it's going to be a tough crowd until orderlies cart them away to nursing golf courses and new blood rejuvinates this limp organ...
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agila61
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But at the same time, there will be people downloading stuff to watch who would have bought or rented that show if a bootleg download was not available. The MPAA/RIAA are obviously full of nonsense when they take estimated downloads and multiple by the MSRP to get "lost sales" ~ if maybe 2% would have bought otherwise, and 10%-20% would have rented, that is would be more like like 3% of downloads time MSRP in lost sales. But internet anarchists who say that there is no market spoiling at all are also exaggerating, Of course some of those bootleg downloads represent lost income to the producers. But SOPA and PIPA were grossly badly written bills, and were wide open to abuse by big movie studios and record labels, who have already demonstrated their willingness to abuse the current system. And that abuse includes abuse of New Media producers: the MPAA directed a denial-of-service attack against Revision3 for seeding a torrent of their own material. So SOPA/PIPA spills outside of the long-established, entrenched arguments between supporters and opponents of anime piracy because it lacks due process protections and would allow big political contributors to wave a big stick at new start-up companies.
For musical groups, who can make money from selling tickets to live performances, this can obviously be true: they can far more easily convert that popularity into money. Its a bit harder for a manga-ka, for example, to make money from live performance: if their work is consumed for free, the only way to earn money from "popularity" is merchandising, and merchandise income concentrates heavily on a few of the very most popular manga, so while it can make a few manga-ka rich, it will not provide a living wage for a large number of manga-ka in a thriving manga industry. And manga is closest to musical groups in terms of the cost of production of each work. An anime costs $m's to produce a series, so if it was only about to get a penny on average from each consumer, it would need 100m's of people in "popularity" to pay for production costs. A niche medium like anime is not going to be able to maintain that kind of popularity for a large number of series each season. |
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TheAncientOne
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The "wouldn't have purchased it anyway" argument flew a lot better when the choices were only pirate or purchase. Now we have people who pirate because not only because they don't want to pay a few dollars a month, but also because they don't want to view ads, want it ASAP, don't like the official subs, and/or think they are entitled to more than 360p/480p for free. Let face it, pirates will always have an excuse handy to "justify" their actions. |
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zensunni
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My letter wasn't picked, but for what its worth, here it is:
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pue-eternity
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Well, that's really the case with a lot of people today. We don't have that kind of money, and something as disposable as entertainment is not worth buying compared to food or clothes. In fact, as an art student, most of my peers download because Photoshop is so damn expensive. Companies expect too much payment, think about it, would you even consider buying an internet browser nowadays?
I feel that I can also equate the pirating of something as less of stealing as more as sharing. I don't see much difference between people sharing/borrowing DVD's and people filesharing with their friends. It's the digital era, people can easily, cheaply, and less wastefully(!) make copies of things. Who knows, maybe that's the whole intention of most pirates, maybe they even bought the copy themselves beforehand... 
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agila61
Posts: 3213 Location: NE Ohio |
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The difference is that with legal sharing, the legit copy is only being used by one person at a time, because there is no copying involved. That's why copyright is a right that we give to creators of original works to give or deny permission to make a copy ~ because lending does not allow hundreds or thousands or millions of copies to be used at one time, on the basis of only one royalty payment. |
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