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NEWS: U.S. Congress Puts SOPA/PIPA Copyright Bills on Hold


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bradc



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:46 pm Reply with quote
Charred Knight wrote:
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Nothing is free. Go find a job, and earn money from those who waving this bill above your head. Where one is suppose to support Hollywood with their re-package goods and buy them at Best Buys.


uh are you completing my post?

You're the one demanding that hollywood stop charging you to watch their movies.


Plain and simple from words of Greed.

Because no one is longer buying their CD/DVD, they are no longer being an innovation. and creative in coming up something original and fresh ideas. Meanwhile Hollywood want to shut out their consumer base which evidently ruining their business....

People will buy if they enjoy it; something they are passionate about in support of franchises.
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Charred Knight



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:58 pm Reply with quote
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Plain and simple from words of Greed.

Because no one is longer buying their CD/DVD, they are no longer being an innovation. and creative in coming up something original and fresh ideas. Meanwhile Hollywood want to shut out their consumer base which evidently ruining their business....

People will buy if they enjoy it; something they are passionate about in support of franchises.


I know several people who enjoy anime and video games and still refuse to pay.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:00 am Reply with quote
Studios are businesses like any other; if people don't want to pay for their products, it's their responsibility to convince consumers to change their habits into something they can monetize. SOPA and PIPA represent nothing more than the MPAA and RIAA's refusal to get with the program.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:08 am Reply with quote
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... That said, the due process issue still seems questionable, and I'd like legal clarification as to the reasoning behind its absence before passing judgement on the legislation. ...

Bear in mind that the author's of the bill, the MPAA and RIAA, already abuse the current system. So the simplest explanation for an opening for abuse in the language is that they wish to be able to use that opening to engage in abuse.


Much as you may dislike them, the MPAA and RIAA do have legitimate concerns about the rampant overseas piracy they've experienced for well over a decade. It's easy (especially in this piracy generation) to blame faceless corporations and organizations, but if you want to be impartial about these issues you can't simply jump to conclusions from a truthy gut-feeling. I'd rather pass judgment after knowing the legal specifics behind the legislation than to let my emotions guide me to a potentially incorrect conclusion.

Polycell wrote:
Studios are businesses like any other; if people don't want to pay for their products, it's their responsibility to convince consumers to change their habits into something they can monetize.


This is true, but only in the correct context. If people don't want to pay for creative products, they aren't entitled to simply get them for free. You also have to factor in the government's/citizen's responsibility to protect and respect studio copyright. It's an unfair expectation to demand that studios compete with pirates in order to convince consumers to change their habits, especially when the government and the people share a part in the problem.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 5:55 am Reply with quote
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Much as you may dislike them, the MPAA and RIAA do have legitimate concerns about the rampant overseas piracy they've experienced for well over a decade.


Who's response to the whole situation is to use a MOAB when all thats needed is a Bazooka, and damn it all to hell if it has collateral damage.
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bradc



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 9:26 am Reply with quote
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I know several people who enjoy anime and video games and still refuse to pay.


Let's be realistic here.

Is there not one single person who doesn't download? Do you honestly think that every single person on earth buys all the video games the company shills out? How does the person pay their bills when the poor (middle class) has sucked dried from their wallets from barely making enough money to put food on the table, when large corporations and big business ignore their foundations of the customers.

Which also goes back to MPAA/RIAA with their ridiculousness about copyright infringement on the whole internet in the first place. Again, people will buy if they love and the product is worth their money.
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hikaru004



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 11:07 am Reply with quote
Ermat_46 wrote:
They were able to kill Megaupload without SOPA/PIPA/etc. Why would they need this?


It took 2 years of investigating to kill off Megaupload. This law makes it much easier and cheaper to do. Just cut their ties to the internet. And if it was all a big mistake, gov't doesn't get sued.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 11:35 am Reply with quote
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agila61 wrote:
Kikaioh wrote:
... That said, the due process issue still seems questionable, and I'd like legal clarification as to the reasoning behind its absence before passing judgement on the legislation. ...

Bear in mind that the author's of the bill, the MPAA and RIAA, already abuse the current system. So the simplest explanation for an opening for abuse in the language is that they wish to be able to use that opening to engage in abuse.


Much as you may dislike them, the MPAA and RIAA do have legitimate concerns about the rampant overseas piracy they've experienced for well over a decade. ...

Bear in mind that the fact that there were legitimate uses and legitimate users of Megaupload does not exonerate the Megaupload company and its network of sites from the charge of aiding and abetting scumbucket parasites like bootleg leach streaming sites.

Equally, the fact that the MPAA and RIAA have legitimate concerns does not mean that after their repeated abuses of the laws that are already in place that we should trust them to write legislation that will given appropriate respect to due process. From their past behavior, due process appears to be a nuisance that they would prefer dispensing with.

bradc wrote:
Charred Knight wrote:
I know several people who enjoy anime and video games and still refuse to pay.


Let's be realistic here.

Is there not one single person who doesn't download? Do you honestly think that every single person on earth buys all the video games the company shills out? ...


You risk losing me in a tangle of treble negative, but if you are asking whether there are people who do all of their consumption by legit means and do not download bootlegs, of course there are.

And you are forgetting GameFly. Lots of people rent games that they are going to play through one or a few times and only buy the games that they decide they are likely to play repeatedly.
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bradc



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 11:47 am Reply with quote
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You risk losing me in a tangle of treble negative, but if you are asking whether there are people who do all of their consumption by legit means and do not download bootlegs, of course there are.

And you are forgetting GameFly. Lots of people rent games that they are going to play through one or a few times and only buy the games that they decide they are likely to play repeatedly.


There will always be bootlegs no matter which country that doesn't want admit with skeletons hidden in their closets. And continue to play the hypocrite card. As same applied to downloading the individual sees fit. The balance between buying from the store, and goes up on the internet becomes his/hers.

Once a upon time, there used be a big company called Block Buster allow people to rent movies and games, which they didn't change with the times when Netflix took over the Internet. Block Buster ran out of business and closed down all or most of its chain franchising stores.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:41 pm Reply with quote
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Once a upon time, there used be a big company called Block Buster allow people to rent movies and games, which they didn't change with the times when Netflix took over the Internet. Block Buster ran out of business and closed down all or most of its chain franchising stores.


Blockbuster has changed its ways to try to compete with the online network of renting. They were well aware that Netflix and other companies like it were in existence and a major competition. That being said, they tried to offer online rental through the mail and let you return to stores to get additional rentals without the wait of the mail. Also, they have online streaming available. Blockbuster did lose business because Netflix had better advertising and market penetration. This being the case, Blockbuster lost business and had to shut down a lot of stores.
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bradc



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 1:50 pm Reply with quote
Mune wrote:
bradc wrote:

Once a upon time, there used be a big company called Block Buster allow people to rent movies and games, which they didn't change with the times when Netflix took over the Internet. Block Buster ran out of business and closed down all or most of its chain franchising stores.


Blockbuster has changed its ways to try to compete with the online network of renting. They were well aware that Netflix and other companies like it were in existence and a major competition. That being said, they tried to offer online rental through the mail and let you return to stores to get additional rentals without the wait of the mail. Also, they have online streaming available. Blockbuster did lose business because Netflix had better advertising and market penetration. This being the case, Blockbuster lost business and had to shut down a lot of stores.


Here is the problems;

Large corporations and big business sides with the government with this current bill in order to stop anti-piracy, at the same time it doesn't want competitions on the e-commerce of the internet, and among other problems that doesn't stop piling up from legislation alone. Hollywood and its actors/ress do much than fine as they make millions and billions of dollars for each movie they make and contract deals they sign.

Ordinary people like us shouldn't be fighting each other, but should actually be fighting against these two bills. The only thieves and criminals are the higher ups of corporations and government are milking the people for their money, and take away every single dime.
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