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I don't see Conan's weak point being its supposed dated style, I really just see it as the sheer fact that no one really likes it. I also honestly feel that the lack of fanservice may have something to do with it. There aren't hot chicks, pretty boys, or huggable demons to latch onto. It may be popular in Japan, but I think the American audience is more finicky and less patient to stick around with a series that doesn't offer them instant gratification - kid detective isn't neccessarily something that sounds appealing off the bat. The genre of the series just doesn't appeal to the adult swim audience. I also think the fact that it's an incredibly long series with no end in sight makes it somewhat discouraging to viewers. I would think it's a fairly large gamble for CN to commit to such a long series without any guarantee ratings will climb.

I'm glad Conan wont be on anymore.

The dvd's have better quality, no commericals, and japanese audio track. TV has none of this for Conan.

Lets just hope something really good gets put in it's timeslot.

I always thought it belonged in Toonami even though it would be edited, and that putting it in Adult swim was a mistake.

Animefan16 wrote:

I always thought it belonged in Toonami even though it would be edited, and that putting it in Adult swim was a mistake.

It wouldn't fit on Toonami either. Not only would the editing remove key forensic evidence, but the show also lacks the sort of action needed to keep the ADD Dragon Ball crowd in their seats.

Detective Conan really doesn't fit on any of Cartoon Network's programming blocks that play anime. It's a misfit, and they tried to put it where they thought it'd fit best. It'd be like them trying to find a decent spot for, say, Haibane Renmei or Ah! My Goddess. They just don't have one.

No Conan. Why?

1) The Japanese audience is about 8-40--Conan is a FAMILY show. In the United States, however, anime is almost never a family show.
2) Similarly, Conan, according to American standards, is too violent for Toonami and too childish for Adult Swim.
3) Funi tried to lower Conan to be not-violent enough for Toonami; when it was put on AS, no one bothered to redub it (understafndable, as dubbing costs money.) Therefore, a show already not mature enough for AS drops to be almost Toonami-level. Obviously not going to work.
4) Thus, but steps 1-3, we have lowered Conan's potential audience to otaku and otaku-wannabes (which, i would guess, would make up the majority of Case Closed watchers) and their friends. People who never watched AS before would not stop by Conan. AS regulars who are indifferent about whether something is Japanese or not (in other words, AS viewers who AREN'T complete Japanophiles) will be turned off by steps 1-3.
5) Similarly, otaku (the hardcore ones) are also eliminated because they have a lot to complain about; namely step 3, name changes, title changes, bad VAing, dialogue change, paint (!), plot change, etc. etc.

In the end, we are left with the audience of "otaku wannabes." (Note I'm not trying to insult anyone; this is the best title I could come up with.) In other words, the regular AS audience has basically been cut in third. Half of these "non-believers" complain that Conan is childish, boring. The other half love Conan to death (or just anime in general), but cannot stand anything non-purist.

A thirded audience leads to less people watching, lower ratings, and ultimately less money for CN. Thus, they have bought up to episode 52 to satisfy that 1/3, then will cancel it to satisfy the 2/3. It's all about the math. (Note these are educated guesstimates).

But you may say that the 1/3 will be dissatisfied by CN's cancellation, yes? Perhaps, but certainly not dissatisfied enough to stop watching AS altogether. My guess is AS will take a minor dip, and if and when Conan is replaced with something that will fit better (note that I said "will fit better," not "better"), ratings will soar higher.

There ya go.
And BTW, yes I am a rabid Detective Conan fan. NOT a rabid Case Closed fan. However, I did use as much impartial, unbiased judgement to come up with these reasons, and I do think they are reasonable.

The only difference between CC and DC is the names. That's it. They didn't even americanize it.

Ethier CN is trying to upset fans and play a nasty joke, or maybe CN feels Case Closed isnt drawing in the kind of audience they wanted (which would be odd because ratings for young adults have been up since July, CC pretty much gave AS a fat boost in ratings)

I don't see Conan's weak point being its supposed dated style, I really just see it as the sheer fact that no one really likes it. I also honestly feel that the lack of fanservice may have something to do with it. There aren't hot chicks, pretty boys, or huggable demons to latch onto. It may be popular in Japan, but I think the American audience is more finicky and less patient to stick around with a series that doesn't offer them instant gratification - kid detective isn't neccessarily something that sounds appealing off the bat. The genre of the series just doesn't appeal to the adult swim audience. I also think the fact that it's an incredibly long series with no end in sight makes it somewhat discouraging to viewers. I would think it's a fairly large gamble for CN to commit to such a long series without any guarantee ratings will climb.

I don't think Viz would of picked up the manga if Case Closed didn't get itself a big fanbase.

Man is Cartoon network going to have fun editing the lanauge in Milk-Chan, I sware that F**k is said atleast 20 times in the first volume.