Forum - View topicHey, Answerman! [2008-12-12]
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abunai
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As rockman_nes said, you add the name to the opening quote tag. It's not HTML, though, it's BBCode, a simplified set of tags created for use in forum posts. Actual HTML is rather more versatile.
You are, of course, entitled to your own viewpoints (so long as you don't try to jam them down our throats by insisting that we adhere to your misconceptions). However, let me remind you that "sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar". You are, in my opinion, indulging in overinterpretation.
You appear to be caught in a loop. It reminds me of the expression, "When the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail" -- or, to paraphrase, "When the only paradigm you have is to see everything in terms of race, then everything becomes racist."
Nobody is denying the racist nature of the Japanese worldview, nor is anyone saying that the Japanese do not view some foreign races as inferior to others (all the while considering them all inferior to Japanese). The point is that you are reading a racist subtext into a situation where it has no relevance. Frankly, it's doing you no good -- it's only making you look touchy and thin-skinned... and silly. - abunai |
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maaya
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I agree, Haruhi is stupid, I disliked her a lot, but I still was able to laugh about her and about Kyon's sarcastic comments ^^ Yuki is not a Rei clone, she's a Rei parody in episode 3? 4? when Kyon meets with Yuki at her house, that's completely taken out of Evangelion, with many references. While Mikuru is a parody of all those moe/fanservice characters in recent anime, since Haruhi even says so "I only got her for the moe/big breats". And if you dislike Mikuru, you can just laugh at her when Haruhi tortures her Humor always is a matter of taste, so of course not everybody can laugh about this series ... but just wanted to clear this up ^^; If you don't like this Haruhi, there's still another one who is really funny (and likeable) as well. |
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motaku96
Posts: 237 Location: New York |
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understandable opinion. guess she can't win 'em all(by she i'm referring to Haruhi). *sigh* and here i thought i might have gotten her another fan. well enjoy whatever else you're watching.
i thought you might be talking about her. i haven't watched ouran yet but i think i will over the christmas break. |
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boogiecat
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Actually they've dubbed several animes in english(the same ones aired in GMA 7 in the late 90's but in english this time) and those animes were distributed locally by Magnavision,i think only Rayearth and To Heart are the best sellers in that lineup... Thier last project after that was Corrector Yui and Great Dangaioh for Viz US. BTW now that Animax hired them i hope they'll perform well just like what they're doing in thier locally dubbed programs and i hope Animax will let those guys at TSP dubs more new animes for them cause in the end they will from it.... |
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nightjuan
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I can understand, if not agree with, region locking the newer streams. But the real problem with current international licensing rights surfaces when a show simply never makes it to a given region, for whatever reason but usually because the show is too old or that regional market isn't profitable, and yet its digital distribution, free or otherwise, continues to be limited. In those cases there's really no point. Granted, this may gradually change, but until then...it's just a gigantic waste of time for everyone involved.
I never really found Lelouch to be that annoying. He does have his obnoxious moments, which tend to turn out poorly for him one way or another, but he is also far more human and thus more likeable than Light ever was. Not to mention far more willing to face up to the consequences of his actions, in spite of his usual hypocrisy. If anything, Lelouch has a lot more in common with Reinhard from LOGH, when you think about it, setting aside the nature or overall quality of their respective shows. Makoto, on the other hand, is pretty much completely hopeless in any way, shape or form. |
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FoxTheAlchemist
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Thanks rockman_nes and abunai!
I don't insist you adhere. I never insisted anyone adhered. I just wanted to clarify why I was offended by Momo and I wanted to see what others thought. I see you think I attached too much meaning to this topic. I think a cigar is rarely just a cigar; people attach meaning to things. Some people just love cigars. Some people smoke them despite the health risks associated with smoking. Some people would rather avoid cigars. Some people hate cigars and try to prevent others from smoking them. There are different attachments toward cigars; they mean different things to different people.
That idea is probably true. I've been black my whole life so it does shape my viewpoints. Identity shapes views. I believe the reverse is also true: when you don't see things in terms of race, then nothing becomes racist.
Peach Girl is an anime and manga series created by someone that lives in this society. It's possible for someone to participate in racist ideas without himself or herself being racist. I wanted to see what ideas were "normal" in Japanese society because those ideas are often unnoticed and unquestioned by societal participants. In Peach Girl, there's a case of Momo not looking like a typical Japanese person and being judged because of it. With ganguro, they alter their appearance in rebellion to what their society believes they should look like. Racial homogeneity as a "normal" comes into play in both cases, and being judged based on not looking like a certain race is racism. Therefore, I do think race and racism has a relevance in this context, even if it wasn't what the author intended. Using the words "touchy," "thin-skinned," and "silly" are a bit much. The bottom line I was offended for the reasons I mentioned, and you weren't offended. The way I think and the way you think are different, but both are valid. I've read carefully all the responses so I can think critically about the issue. I'd rather not be dismissive. I don't believe there are any right or wrong answers here, just perceptions. If you want to call my perception silly, then go ahead. I wouldn't call you silly though, and it's not because I think you're right; it's because I value your opinion. If I did call you silly, it would be relative to how closely your opinion agrees with mine. |
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Tamaria
Posts: 1512 Location: De Achterhoek |
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The Japanese don't associate tan with race, but with social classes. It's still associated with the working class, farms, heavy labor. To be light skinned was, and to some extend still is, a sign of wealth. A bit strange really, since it's now the other way around. It's the people with money who go tanning. Looking cheap isn't cheap.
Europeans used to think the same about tans, but then the haves discovered vacations to farawar islands and all that, and the image changed over time. |
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Berserkfury819
Posts: 229 Location: Detroit Mi. Spider-Man is dead. R.I.P. |
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You forget Fables, Y the Last Man, 100 Bullets, Ex Machina and Mouse Guard. So Brian is a fan of Ayn Rand huh? I though I might be the only one here. Well, I guess Mohawk might be, but he would be my only guess. |
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FanFicGuru
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This, made me LOL so hard. Thanks brian, for making my week. Also, excellent start out and I think I'm going to really enjoy reading Answerman in the coming weeks and months. |
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Quark
Posts: 710 Location: British Columbia, Canada |
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If I remember right though, in Peach Girl, the reason why Momo disliked her tanned hair and light skin is because people looked at her and figured she was following the ganguro fashion, and was therefore a wild child who slept around with different guys, despite the fact that she wasn't like that at all. They weren't judging her for not looking 'Japanese' enough, but simply because it appeared that she was following a certain fashion trend, that had negative implications attached to it. I think it would be like if someone was naturally very light skinned, and had dark hair, and people just automatically labelled them as a goth and thought that they were all doom and gloom, even if that person actually had a very cheerful disposition. You're totally entitled to your opinion on it, but it is a bit hard to not think that you're reading into a bit too much. For most people, the story was simply about a girl who did not fit into the standard norm of beauty, and wanted to change herself so that she could fit into that standard. Honestly, I think it's something a lot of girls can relate to, because many of girls feel like Momo - that they just don't fit in, and wish that they could change their appearance to fit the norm. For me, there was nothing racial about it. |
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SalarymanJoe
Posts: 468 Location: Atlanta, GA, USA |
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I don't think that's the point, and it certainly wasn't my intention. I was speaking directly about Peach Girl and only Peach Girl. It was not my intention to speak about other series with a broader brush. Personally, I think that each series needs to be dealt with as a case by case. Certainly, there are cases where Japanese will use cases of stereotyping that can certainly be considered offensive (G Gundam, for one) while others, there could be a case of it (like maybe Kaolla Su from Love Hina); I just think that in Peach Girl's case, trying to turn it into a race issue is grasping for straws. The only stereotypes it uses are that ganguros have darker skin, bleached hair and loose morals. And yes, the civility in ANN's forums is fantastic. Also, to FoxTheAlchemist, I think I understand how you reached your conclusion a bit better now. I still think you are grasping for straws given the series in question but I think I understand more where you're arriving at that conclusion. |
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abunai
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Just for reference... this is a ganguro girl:
To me, it looks like the poor girl collided frontally with a makeup truck filled with self-tanning lotion and pink lip gloss and mascara. She looks like a raccoon on psychotropic drugs. - abunai |
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dtm42
Posts: 14084 Location: currently stalking my waifu |
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She actually looks like she just escaped from the circus. I question how anyone (inside the Anime) could have confused Momo with a girl like this one.
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maaya
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she was more confused with "kogal", something like this:
This looks quite a lot like Momo to me. Btw, Peach Girl is already a bit older now (started almost 10 years ago) and nowadays dyeing your hair is pretty normal and these prejudices have disappeared quite a bit (depends on the person of course). |
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dtm42
Posts: 14084 Location: currently stalking my waifu |
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Oh, I see. Thanks for setting me straight. |
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