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NEWS: Warner Develops Live-Action Film of Tite Kubo's Bleach Manga

Why is that a problem? It's the way Hollywood usually works by taking an overseas property and adapting it into something that appeals to the widest possible audience over here.

In comparison, Japanese stories really haven't ventured that far outside of Japan until fairly recently. I believe to a large extent, Japan is still a very mysterious land to most Hollywood producers.

Wait, I just remembered something, was it Kubo or some other mangaka who once said he doesn't want their manga to be made live-action? His argument was something along the lines of if he wanted his series to be live-action, he would have made a live-action series to begin with or something.


Could be another mangaka who said that though.

They don't flock in large number because giving the benefit of the doubt to an industry that has displayed a proved pattern of being bad goes against human nature. It logical and reasonable to be weary of everything after a person is past their child-like days of innocence.

Where is this 'totally faithful or bust' claim being made?

I don't see it anywhere but in your arguments...

...and it's there just so you can defeat it.

As far as having nothing to compare it to that's where word of mouth comes in. You claim that positive word of mouth will attracts new bodies to the movie but let us not ignore the effects of negative word of mouth. Pretending that this movie is as bad as Dragonball Evolution - there will be countless websites and discussions about how badly thought out the changes were, both before seeing the movie and after. That negativity will eventually find it's way to potential movie goers(non-fans) who might decide that the comparisons and reception is enough to not bother seeing the film for themselves.

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Why is that a problem? It's the way Hollywood usually works by taking an overseas property and adapting it into something that appeals to the widest possible audience over here.

And for thousandth damn time, that attitude doesn't work for Hollywood movies adapted from anime or manga.

You can keep smoking on your hypotheticals, coulds, and wider audience potential but history proves that how Hollywood usually does it, fails. Time and time again.

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In comparison, Japanese stories really haven't ventured that far outside of Japan until fairly recently. I believe to a large extent, Japan is still a very mysterious land to most Hollywood producers.

That really makes me wonder why Hollywood bothers at all. It seems contradictory to me for Hollywood to note how popular the stories they go after are and yet belief everything about is so unfamiliar that it needs a total renovation.

Sounds more like a personal problem. Others keep an open mind or reserve judgement until they see the finished product.

Are you fairly new to the internet?

Duh! That's what I've been saying. It begins even before the first second of footage is ever filmed, though.

So your argument is that Hollywood shouldn't even try? That unless it's something that's basically a word-for-word, scene-by-scene duplicate of the original material that there can never be a successful live-action movie of one in America?

You're just wallowing in a negative attitude that dismisses any potential whatsoever that an adaptation could be even remotely successful one day. Movies in general are risky projects. For every one blockbuster, there are at least a dozen flops that fail because they didn't click with general audiences for whatever reason. But it's in Hollywood's nature to keep trying time and time again because when movies do click with the mainstream, they tend to pay off.

By its very nature, an adaptation is a different version of an existing story--either for a different format and/or audience. It's one way that Hollywood creates new movies. How faithful the adaptation is to the original depends on how well the original aspects resonate with the main audience the particular film is going after.

That generally is a large American or Western audience for big budget Hollywood movies, so changes are made to cater for that audience. But it's not an exact science, in fact, it's largely guesswork on the part of the writers and producers to determine how much of the original material will or won't work for their intended audience.

By its very nature, an adaptation is a different version of an existing story--either for a different format and/or audience.

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Sounds more like a personal problem. Others keep an open mind or reserve judgement until they see the finished product.

So truths about human nature and conditioned responses are only truths if you say so.

Pavlov can train a dog to drool at the sound of a bell but people aren't thinking critically by expecting bad Hollywood adaptations of anime given Hollywood's history, as you say, they are being closed-minded.

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Are you fairly new to the internet?

I am versed enough to know that when someone replies to a question with a question it means they don't have answer.

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Duh! That's what I've been saying. It begins even before the first second of footage is ever filmed, though.

That's why I said "both before seeing the movie and after."

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So your argument is that Hollywood shouldn't even try? That unless it's something that's basically a word-for-word, scene-by-scene duplicate of the original material that there can never be a successful live-action movie of one in America?

My argument is that the attitude to aimlessly go after a wide audience is why those adaptations inevitably fail. It's not that Hollywood should stop trying but rather Hollywood should make films for a specific target audience and play to that groups known interests.

Again, who the hell is saying something needs to be a word for word, carbon copy of the source material? I've asked you this before because I know for a damn fact I have not said that but you keep adding it into our discussion as if it is relevant to my statements.

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You're just wallowing in a negative attitude that dismisses any potential whatsoever that an adaptation could be even remotely successful one day. Movies in general are risky projects. For every one blockbuster, there are at least a dozen flops that fail because they didn't click with general audiences for whatever reason. But it's in Hollywood's nature to keep trying time and time again because when movies do click with the mainstream, they tend to pay off.

I am merely saying that any negative emotions Hollywood gets for just mentioning live action adaptations is well earned at the moment.

I have not dismissed that this film could work. In fact, I was going to reply to Sweetre15 to say I like his ideas and contribute that either having the plot be about the Grand Fisher/stopping at saving Rukia or doing a prequel about Quincys would be potential good for the movie. None of your comments however inspire much in the way of fanboy brainstorming.

You have to fail a lot on your way to the big pay off is a gambler's fallacy and making movies is not gambling.

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By its very nature, an adaptation is a different version of an existing story--either for a different format and/or audience. It's one way that Hollywood creates new movies. How faithful the adaptation is to the original depends on how well the original aspects resonate with the main audience the particular film is going after.

The fun thing is you've said, time and time again, in this topic that the main audience don't know the property. So at this point nothing can possibly be resonating with the main audience.

I would even argue that if the main audience is not primarily composed of the existing fanbase then there's no main audience yet.

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That generally is a large American or Western audience for big budget Hollywood movies, so changes are made to cater for that audience. But it's not an exact science, in fact, it's largely guesswork on the part of the writers and producers to determine how much of the original material will or won't work for their intended audience.

Why bother with with renovating an already popular story when Hollywood has staff on hand that can create a new, new story unfettered from the eyes of an existing fanbase.

You can't target a general audience, who you don't know, and expect to retrofit a story to appeal to people of undetermined interests. You keep referring to the American audience as some ubiquitous hivemind but the American audience is composed of many different groups and fanbases. Movies, well-made movies, don't attempt to target the American audience as whole. Movies with a clear target audience succeed and movies that try to please everyone fail.

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By its very nature, an adaptation is a different version of an existing story--either for a different format and/or audience.

I didn't ask what was the nature of adaptations. I've already demonstrating an understanding that some changes have to be made because of the differences in format.

What I did say was that it is contrary to go after anime/manga because they are popular and at the same time say the people who made it popular are not the ones the adaptation is intended for.

What are you talking about? It's merely a case of not always assuming that something will be bad, nothing more.

Then why are you arguing with me then?

That is generally how small independent films are done, but not so for big budget tent pole films.

Once again, why are you arguing with me then? Since I am merely talking about why Hollywood makes changes to source material. If you didn't have a problem with that, then we shouldn't be having this discussion.

See, I disagree with that. I don't think it's well earned due to the very nature of Hollywood to frequently produce flops before producing a hit.

Probably because I wasn't doing that in the first place, but merely giving the idea of a Bleach movie the benefit of the doubt. Pay attention.

Making movies is definitely gambling. There have been many big budget movies that have failed even with top talent connected to them.

No, don't play dumb. You know full well what is and isn't well-known in mainstream American society. Hollywood producers try to make unfamillar properties appealing to that audience by either including more things that are familiar to them, altering certain concepts, or by playing up the aspects they think will appeal to them the most.

And I would disagree with that too. I think Hollywood producers have a certain audience in mind they want to appeal to and tailor adaptations towards that audience. They want the existing fanbase, but they're also mindful that it has to appeal to more than them if they truly want it to be a big hit.

Because adaptations have always been a part of Hollywood. It's as simple as that. Hollywood has always taken popular stories--be it from books, TV shows, and even previous movies--and repackaged them for a bigger audience than the existing fanbase.

If you truly did, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Which is something I never said, merely that these movies aren't made just for them.

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UltimaShadowfax wrote: Animeking1108 wrote: Why does everyone think WB will ruin this? Did we forget about The Dark Knight, 300, and Watchmen? What, because of Dragonball Evolution, it's mandatory to assume an adaptation is going to suck? Did you know that in the 90s, nobody thought Superhero movies will catch on? Why was Watchmen included in that list? Maybe because it was a carbon copy of the graphic novel?

Gee not like the novel had some sort of squid or anything.