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Unit 03.5-ish
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I was being sarcastic about the children's card game thing...if you've been reading any of my other posts you know my position on YGO.
And it's not like mech anime can't do something different. Many of the robot shows of even the '90s EXPERIMENTED, which is more than can be said for a show about "OMG CUTE GIRLS WHO ALL LIKE SOME BLAND MALE!" |
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motaku96
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Well sorry about the card game thing. About the mechs, yeah I agree they can always do something different. Gundam, Full Metal Panic, Code Geass, Gurren Langan, etc. all had something special to set them apart. But you're stereotyping all of the eroge based anime into one category. They're not all as cliche as you think. I'm sure you haven't watched too many but if you gave 'em a chance, you might be surprised. But again, depending on your preferences, you probably still won't like them, which is fine. But don't judge it without even giving it a chance. Edit: I wanted to throw in an example. It's like someone that doesn't watch mecha anime saying that "All those robot anime are the same. They all have some young hotshot pilot that gets in a giant robot and shoots at everything and saves the world from certain destruction." I don't share this view of course. I love mecha anime myself but that's what it is when people start judging an anime just because it's a certain type. |
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bugmenot2
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Check out "Phantom of Inferno" (18+ for Japanese PC; brief all-ages English release as a DVD game), and its associated anime properties (upcoming series and the older OVA)... I think you might like what you find that a) it doesn't fit that stereotype of eroge at all and b) you might like it. |
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Westlo
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Looking forward to this since I bothered to read up about it instead of just throwing out ignorant criticism and crying woe is moe. Seems like it will be in line with shows like Kannagi and Oinari-sama going by the summary as well as replies on other forums from people who have actually played the game.
Aside from Eva... care to post titles and how the experimented in the mecha genre? This should be good :roll: |
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Unit 03.5-ish
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That's easy, since I specifically go for robot shows that aren't the norm. 
Nadesico was a comedy/space opera/robot show that had pretty typical robots, but the focus was more on the zany antics of the crew. FMP took high school insanity, humor, and robots and hit puree after tossing them in the blender. RahXephon was like Eva in a lot of regards but had some trippy psychological elements. Escaflowne had mechs that were more like giant suits of armor, the titular robot transformed into a dragon, and that's not to mention a solid fantasy story. Sure, you have shows like GaoGaiGar that are nothing more than an homage to shows of old, but there's still room for creativity. I think moe/harem shows are so reviled because, no offense, eroge games are a bit suspect to base an anime off of (though they update once in a blue moon, Anime Jump is pretty...merciless when it comes to the harem stuff based on eroge), but here's an analogy... Video game anime are generally reviled because they're either one-shot OVAs that blow worse than most OVAs of yesteryear, or they don't give props to the original game, or they alter things in a horrible way... There's exceptions there, too, because I enjoyed .hack//SIGN, but for the most part, it's a crap shoot. I'm sure there are half-decent moe/eroge-based shows out there, but the general perception of those things is that you choose options X, Y, and Z and the next minute, your faceless avatar is boinking some hapless, ditzy girl. |
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Westlo
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Nadesico is a parody of Gundam, Macross, Eva, Super Robots and a space opera played for laughs isn't exactly fresh... FMP & Rahxephon were from 2001/2002 and both weren't exactly original.. Escaflowne owed a lot to an old Tomino series in Aura Battler Dunbine.
Aside from Eva mecha originality in the 90's was piss poor and even Eva owed a good deal to Tomino's Ideon/MSG as well as Anno Gunbuster. Not that I personally cared since I'm someone who values execution much more over originality, most of the stuff people praise for being original isn't anyway. |
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VDZ
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As a huge visual novel fan, I'm just plain offended by this ridiculously prejudiced view on visual novels. I don't know anything about the visual novel being adapted here, but I just can't ignore the comments about visual novels in general here.
(A note in advance: the statements below refer to the good visual novels. Like any other game genre, visual novels also get shovelware, which in the case of visual novels are simple, shallow porn games.)
They are not useless games. Visuals novels can be a great form of fiction, potentially even better than anime. I recommend you to check out the visual novel Ever17, and you will see for yourself that these 'useless games' can even tell extremely complicated and captivating stories in a more involving way than any other form of entertainment (although that is my opinion...but it cannot be denied that Ever17 is an incredible work of fiction, and certainly not a 'useless game'). (And before you start protesting 'but it's porn!!111', Ever17 does not contain any sexual content.)
Fate/Stay Night is indeed based on an eroge by Type-Moon. It's translation (which took like 3 years if I'm not mistaken) finally completely finished a couple weeks ago. The anime seems reasonably popular, but it isn't nearly as good as the game. The original game consisted of three routes, each lasting about 50 hours (not sure about this, as I've only finished the first one so far, which was indeed that long). The anime just took one route plus some random stuff from other routes, and greatly condensed it to fit the length of the anime. My first comment after watching the first episode of the anime was that it's not unlike holding the skip button throughout the visual novel. You just miss so much, it's not even funny.
NO! No, no, no, no, no no no no no no no no no! NO! This is so horribly wrong, I just can't express how extremely wrong this is. The characters are often a crucial aspect of a visual novel, and visual novel characters are usually much more memorable than any other kind of fictional characters. This is the whole appeal of the subcategory of visual novels based on just building a romantic relationship with the girls in the game - the uniqueness and memorableness of the characters.
If you liked Tsukihime...you simply have to try better visual novels. You will love them. I heard Tsukihime has a good story, but it's so incredibly boring and uninteresting that I quit within an hour after starting it. Fate/Stay Night is indeed better. MUCH, MUCH better. If you liked Tsukihime, you simply have to try f/sn. It's also by Type-Moon, but it doesn't suck (in fact, it's brilliant). As for f/sn's routes, I can only speak of the first two (still playing the second one), but after 4 (in-game) days the routes split (you can just skip to the point where it splits), and the story changes significantly, and after a couple more days, it just becomes a totally different story. I'm about 15 hours in now, and other than the setting, characters and style, this story is nothing like the first route.
If the adaptations I've seen are any indication...they're just always less good than the visual novel. Fate/Stay Night is simply holding the skip button throughout the anime, Clannad completely messes up the story, and I don't even want to talk about the way Chaos;Head violently destroys the atmosphere and story of its source material. I'm not saying those series suck, but they're never great. They're fun to watch, but they're not something that makes you go "OMFG THIS IS SO AWESOME".
First of all, omfg, unrealistic fiction, who the hell makes that? Seriously, I haven't seen that in any other form of fiction, that unrealism. Secondly, http://narcissu.insani.org . Other than some very slight medical inaccuracies, this visual novel is completely realistic. Fiction rarely has complete realism. The amount of realism varies per work of fiction, and that's the same for visual novels. Not every visual novel is totally realistic, and not every visual novel is totally unrealistic. Girls aren't always stereotypes. Visual novel characters often have lots of depth, more so than anime characters. Token lolis and MILFs...I suppose you could say f/sn's Ilya is a 'token loli'. MILFs, I don't know any. Hm, with the amount of visual novels I've played, that isn't all that many token lolis/milfs. EDIT: Oh wait, Ever17's Coco can also count as a 'token loli'. Okay, that makes two then. |
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Teriyaki Terrier
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Case and point right there. Especially since most the characters in those games AREN'T 18 years of age or older. I know people don't play those games for the "deepness" of the game, rather for the deepness of the penetration. |
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pparker
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I liked the Fate/Stay Night anime, though less than Shakugan no Shana for comparison, but I'll watch it again someday. The Tsukihime adaptation (Lunar Legends) was the... worst... adaptation ever, a wooden, uninspired copy-n-paste of the visual novel. I can imagine the F/SN VN being good, given the the anime and the strong writing of Tsukihime. However... I'm not sure VNs will have wide appeal in the West. While it's a "game", it's really not. And while it's a "novel", it isn't that either, and it's almost an anime, but... not. The concept for interactive visual novels has been around in the U.S. at least since people played Zork on mainframes in the 70's, but it never took off. It could have to do with simple lack of patience, sitting in front a computer screen to "watch/read" a story, or simply our cultural division between visual and written entertainment. Frankly, I just think it's a Japanese thing, that might in a generation or two develop a decent fan base in the West. When you then apply that to "eroge" as a subcategory of visual novels, I think the odds become astronomically against, because it excludes children and doesn't sit on the shelves in Best Buy. Quality at that length is difficult to maintain as well. You mention three routes of 50 hours each. That is a lo-o-o-o-ng story, even considering skipping the repeat sections. A 26-episode anime lasts about 10 hours, same length as LoTR. So you are talking for one route, the same as 5 full years of an anime series (more or less, depending on interaction time). There's a handful of those in history, and the odds of them being good for that long are very low--much less for 10 or 15 years/seasons. The only other medium for comparison is actual novels, but being non-visual and non-auditory, thus relying on the reader's imagination, the odds of it being engaging for 50 hours is higher. Though the discussion is about eroge VN adaptations, Higurashi was a non-eroge VN that is one of my favorite anime of all time, despite the fact I'm not a fan of horror. If anyone needs convincing of the potential quality of VNs, there's your proof. Every entertainment medium has its classics, its memorables, its watchables and its usually vast catalog of pandering crap. I assume VNs to be no different. Standing up for quality in visual novels, though, will always be like defending Playboy for its articles. The magazine does contain high quality writing, but every 10 pages there's a naked girl. I think your grandchildren will still be waging this war
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Unit 03.5-ish
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Wait, Tsukihime? That wouldn't be the same as Lunar Legend Tsukihime, would it? The one about the invisible strings and vampires or something like that. That actually seemed like an interesting show but I don't remember it getting much attention.
So you make these choices, the girl unquestioningly obeys your orders, and at the end of somesuch "route", your payoff is a hilariously-animated sex scene that looks about on the same level as an animated GIF in terms of animation quality. I'm surprised these eroge things don't have a wider audience, really. I mean to my knowledge, the eroge things are like those lame "interactive" DVDs where you pretend you're boinking some porn star with inflated boobs, only with more unnecessary fluff in between to make it seem like it has "depth". |
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pparker
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Yes.
Because the anime sucked. |
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Unit 03.5-ish
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Just to get your opinion on the show - parker, would you recommend Fate/Stay Night? In spite of its origins, I read that it's a pretty engaging and interesting show, though the ANN reviews made it sound like the pacing can be incredibly slow at times.
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VDZ
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No. You see it as porn with a tiny little bit of added interaction and fiction. The fact is, it's fiction with a tiny little bit of added interaction and porn.
Are you even listening? |
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Furudanuki
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Yes, there are some eroge out there that would fit that description. Just like there are some people on this forum who repeatedly insist on making assertions based solely upon what they have "heard", without any personal experience or an iota of what could be even charitably considered as casual research.
Again, your knowledge of this subject seems to be on a par with "four legs good, two legs bad". Sorry, but repeating something over and over again does not magically make it true. Several eroge have already been mentioned in this thread as being quite different from what you describe. It is fine if this sort of thing doesn't interest you or you object to the content - no one is going to force you to play an eroge or watch an anime that is based upon one. But once you leave the realm of your own personal tastes and start making blanket statements on the subject from a position of ignorance do not be surprised when you are called on it. |
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