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NEWS: Prosecution Drops Charges in Canadian Manga Child Porn Case

Just because manga characters aren't real, given that they are depicted as real people, it's still one in the same. This is especially the case if the characters look like kids or are in fact kids in the manga.

One-Eye wrote:

From the handbook: Quote: You are more likely to be chosen to have your devices searched if you: -Are importing something the CBSA deems to be suspicious. This could include anime and manga, which the CBSA is highly suspicious of. The CBSA has reminded its officers that “most [anime and manga is] not child porn”. -Are a single man traveling alone. After reading that handbook its pretty chilling. They can stop anyone at anytime and go thru all your electronic devices. Complain too much? Then its suspicious and you are liable to get your stuff confiscated for a more detailed search. Are you a single man traveling alone with pics of your kids at the beach, then you are probably a pedophile and need to be locked up. It even mentions that there are rumors of searching for illegal copies of media. So, I guess if you have rips of your favorite anime on your laptop or phone you may get scrutinized.

Common sense would tell me when travelling to another country, don't take chances & don't bring anything that makes you stand out. Including images on electronic devices. You are in someone else's land, and all rules you know about from where you live are out the window. Squeaky clean is my rule of thumb when traveling across borders.

Teriyaki Terrier wrote:

Just because manga characters aren't real, given that they are depicted as real people, it's still one in the same. This is especially the case if the characters look like kids or are in fact kids in the manga.

By that logic, a film about killing people is the same as murder, a rape fantasy is rape, thinking about stealing is the same as doing it, and just about every actor should be in prison for depicting illegal acts.

VORTIA wrote:

Teriyaki Terrier wrote: Just because manga characters aren't real, given that they are depicted as real people, it's still one in the same. This is especially the case if the characters look like kids or are in fact kids in the manga. By that logic, a film about killing people is the same as murder, a rape fantasy is rape, thinking about stealing is the same as doing it, and just about every actor should be in prison for depicting illegal acts.

None of those are the same thing. If he was being charged with actual child predatory acts for possessing those images, then you would have a point.

Wow, that is just crazy. But even crazier, is that chargers were dropped.

Just because manga characters aren't real, given that they are depicted as real people, it's still one in the same. This is especially the case if the characters look like kids or are in fact kids in the manga.

V1046-R wrote:

One-Eye wrote: From the handbook: Quote: You are more likely to be chosen to have your devices searched if you: -Are importing something the CBSA deems to be suspicious. This could include anime and manga, which the CBSA is highly suspicious of. The CBSA has reminded its officers that “most [anime and manga is] not child porn”. -Are a single man traveling alone. After reading that handbook its pretty chilling. They can stop anyone at anytime and go thru all your electronic devices. Complain too much? Then its suspicious and you are liable to get your stuff confiscated for a more detailed search. Are you a single man traveling alone with pics of your kids at the beach, then you are probably a pedophile and need to be locked up. It even mentions that there are rumors of searching for illegal copies of media. So, I guess if you have rips of your favorite anime on your laptop or phone you may get scrutinized. Common sense would tell me when travelling to another country, don't take chances & don't bring anything that makes you stand out. Including images on electronic devices. You are in someone else's land, and all rules you know about from where you live are out the window. Squeaky clean is my rule of thumb when traveling across borders.

I couldn't agree with this more.

Just because manga characters aren't real, given that they are depicted as real people, it's still one in the same.

Drawings aren't people. End of story.

Did they ever actually say what manga it was they found on his computer? Maybe I'm being overly cynical, but I keep expecting it to be something that it would be totally ridiculous to call "child porn", like One Piece or something...

Just because manga characters aren't real, given that they are depicted as real people, it's still one in the same.

A representation of thing is not the thing itself. However simple that truth, it’s the core of an ongoing battle. In every age, there have been those who simply cannot divorce the concept of a thing from a representation of that thing.

This is especially the case if the characters look like kids or are in fact kids in the manga.

the judgement that drawings depicting possible children having sex with other children, or adults comes from the many tested and debated theories that the mind is stimulated the same way regardless what media is used to satisfy that stimulation, which can then cause a craving for increase of stimulation to the point of actual predatory events and outcomes. Therefore a drawing of child porn can have the same effect as real child porn in some perpetrators. But the debate goes on and I find the whole result as wanting more testing as the conclusions are still to ambiguous and sporatic to be of concrete use in law making. What happened in this case boils down to what the understood definition of virtual child porn [VCP] is in the laws in Canada, and the bias of the inspector on duty at the time. There has been cases in the UK in the past where parents were called in to police stations to explain photos taken of their infants in the bath tub. For one such parents turns out that the photo lab tech reported them into the police after he developed the film. The case was eventually thrown out of court and all charges dropped, when the judge reprimanded the police for lack of common sense in judgement between a loving parents with a new infant and predatory child molestors taken lude pictures of naked children in the bath. The police had to apologise to the family and pay costs, which was also a waste of taxpayers money. Everyone and everything is under suspicion in some law enforcer's eye's to the point that it becomes a mental disorder.