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GracieLizzy



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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2016 12:36 pm Reply with quote
I never like sitting too close to the screen if I can help it myself as I find it a bit overwhelming. Also in many cinemas it means you are craning your neck looking up at the screen because you are not the tiered seats. Its why I prefer towards the back.
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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2016 1:12 pm Reply with quote
You can definitely get too close, 35mm degrades more gracefully than digital. I've been in close with both types of screenings and you can definitely tell. That's why I use a mid theater or a few rows back rule when possible.

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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2016 1:24 pm Reply with quote
I've always sat towards the middle... In the theatres I frequent, I know which rows to sit in that balance looking as level/straight forward as possible (maximum comfort) with having the screen fill around three quarters of my field of view (maximum immersion).
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Mr. Oshawott



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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2016 1:37 pm Reply with quote
Back in the old days when I went to cinemas, I tend to sat somewhere between the back and middle area of the theater for the most optimal view.
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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2016 1:43 pm Reply with quote
Anime films not looking that spectacular in movie theaters is a non issue to me. Of course films are not going to look that great if you sit too close to the screen. I am not a movie goer, but if I were I would not consider the theater version the optimal experience. The optimal watching experience for me is watching the Blu-ray version at my house.
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MarshalBanana



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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2016 3:11 pm Reply with quote
They should of stayed with film projectors.
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Wrial Huden



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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2016 3:16 pm Reply with quote
Just say Harmony in a Cinemark theater a couple of days ago. I didn't notice anything abnormal. Then again, I was sitting mid-row. No way would I sit in the front row...
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horseradish



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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2016 3:53 pm Reply with quote
I usually sit somewhere near the middle of the theater and sometimes pay extra to reserve a seat there. I only sit in the front when there's no other option, because my neck gets tired from the angle.

I have a basic setup at home, so the theater experience looks and sounds better for me. It's also fun to see a highly anticipated movie on opening day with a large and excited crowd. I try to visit a movie theater at least once a month when I have the time.


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Aphasial
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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2016 4:14 pm Reply with quote
It's not resolution per se but streaming services on HD still have a ways to go for proper encoding. One of my favorite tests is the OP for Humanity Has Declined, specifically around the 0:50 mark:

https://youtu.be/9BqhUiNzftU?t=51s

On Hulu and Crunchyroll, there's a *ton* of compression artifacts while the foreground and background are moving around her, while it's basically pristine on a Blu-ray. So there could be other factors too.
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silentjay



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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2016 7:47 pm Reply with quote
Also, it should be pointed out that in a lot of cases, theatres are just playing a blu-ray that's been upscaled. For example, at the Canadian screenings, pretty much all of the Funimation related ones were from blu-rays supplied by the distributor. (I've a friend who used to be a part-time projectionist for Cineplex.)
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PurpleWarrior13



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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2016 12:57 am Reply with quote
Count me in the group that prefers 35mm over digital. Seriously, I didn't know what I was missing until they switched. I work in a movie theater, and while my job has nothing to do with projection, I still get the impression that it's just a glorified stream now. Of course, digital is a million times cheaper and convenient, and I don't think we'd have these wide releases of anime films if cinemas still used film.

The only anime film I ever saw in 35mm was Yu-Gi-Oh! The Movie. What a terrible film that was, and a waste of perfectly good film stock. I've also seen Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods and Resurrection F in theaters, and those digital presentations, sadly, didn't look quite as good (though all 3 films were still animated digitally). Both films had packed houses, so I was forced to sit in the bottom half, where you could see more compression artifacts. The Sony Playstation E3 press conference livestream looked better on the big screen.

I'd love to see a cel-animated film on the big screen with 35mm projection. Something like Akira or Laputa. THAT would be an amazing experience since it would be a direct print. I did see a reissue of The Little Mermaid when I was really small, but I can't remember much of that.
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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2016 1:40 am Reply with quote
Amazing what some people have to complain about when watching a movie. I worry more about whether somebody is talking in the movie theater or whether the movie has a decent storyline to it.
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GregoriusU



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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2016 3:27 am Reply with quote
Aphasial wrote:
It's not resolution per se but streaming services on HD still have a ways to go for proper encoding. One of my favorite tests is the OP for Humanity Has Declined, specifically around the 0:50 mark:

https://youtu.be/9BqhUiNzftU?t=51s

On Hulu and Crunchyroll, there's a *ton* of compression artifacts while the foreground and background are moving around her, while it's basically pristine on a Blu-ray. So there could be other factors too.


Second the motion on compression artifacts. Artifacts aren't so bad with live-action because "real" images tend not to have hard edges, but titles will show them easily. When you're dealing with animation, you have nothing but hard edges, at least for foreground action, and pixel "jaggies" and their artifacts are very hard to avoid. Low compression ratios help. Also real 4K instead of upscaled 2K (or HD). BTW, Kodak claimed that film was a 6K medium, so even 4K won't quite be as good. Wait for 8K haha!
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omiya



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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2016 3:46 am Reply with quote
Wandering Samurai wrote:
Amazing what some people have to complain about when watching a movie. I worry more about whether somebody is talking in the movie theater or whether the movie has a decent storyline to it.


Well, if one is paying to see a movie, one likes the audio and video quality to be good (including not interrupted by any of the audience members), in addition to the actual content of the movie.
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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2016 4:07 am Reply with quote
I tend to sit in the center of the middle section of the theater not too close and not too far which is why I like to get there early for trial and error tests unlike my brother who always likes to sit in the front row. Rolling Eyes
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